Was that ever in doubt? The cost to pay the musicians. The ability to use the space to generate $$$.
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Bring Back the Grand Floridian Society Orchestra
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TrainsOfDisney
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“yes and” - it’s not just the money, it’s also a lack of understanding theme and appropriate live entertainment.
There could be appropriate entertainment provided for the same price as the DJ’s for example.
JMcMahonEsq
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Assuming similar/same costs. How does it make sense to spend the same amount of money for live entertainment that you spend for the large amount of people that are one of the parks, vs the limited number of people who are at one one hotel and are actually at the hotel at that time?
TrainsOfDisney
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Well you’re asking a new, second question. If it doesn’t make sense then boardwalk shouldn’t have the jugglers, port orleans shouldn’t have yeehaw Bob, grand shouldn’t have piano players, etc.
I’m saying within the parks, DJ’s and Live Entertainers are not necessarily 2 different price points.
JMcMahonEsq
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No, I would say any thoughts on when to use live entertainment would have to be considered on there own, on a case by case basis. For example the board walk area gets more traffic to it than just the people staying at the boardwalk. It might make sense to have live entertainment there, as opposed to simply in the lobby of a single hotel.
My point simply was that just that even if the cost of the orchestra players was the same as a DJ, which i don't know if that is accurate or not, that doesn't mean that spending that money for live entertainment in the lobby of a single hotel makes it worth it.
TrainsOfDisney
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I never said or implied that at all - I honestly don’t know what point you are trying to make. And that’s ok
I’m a fan of live entertainment at a “single hotel” or within the parks.
wannabeBelle
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Same and one of the big reasons I go to Disney. I live within a pretty short car ride of a few major theme parks, I dont need to go to Florida for the latest roller coaster. Marie
BirdbyBird
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Music as you knew it is gone. It's too commodified. No one wants to actually pay for talent. they want to stream the same old stuff for free the rest of their lives.
JMcMahonEsq
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I think my main point (it’s been awhile) was that even if the costs were relatively close, spending money on live entertainment in the parks where a lot more people experience it, makes more sense than spending it for performers at a single resort. It’s a “neat” thing to have an orchestra playing at a hotel vs just music. full disclosure I am not a big music person such that I don’t think listening to music live vs on a radio/taped makes any difference, but if there were no costs, sure go ahead and have them. But this is a business and everything costs money. I just see a better use for a part of the entertainment budget somewhere else, that at a single resort where you have a limited audience and I don’t think the service drives sales/revenue. I could be wrong and it could be personal bias but I don’t think people are choosing or not choosing to stay at grand Floridian due to a live orchestra in enough numbers to make any real statistical differenceI never said or implied that at all - I honestly don’t know what point you are trying to make. And that’s ok
I’m a fan of live entertainment at a “single hotel” or within the parks.
TrainsOfDisney
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but you have to know that live music and live entertainment is something that is very popular - more popular than Disney theme parks even.
It’s not some crazy concept to have live musicians performing.
JMcMahonEsq
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oh absolutely, i don't deny what live music brings in, either for concerts, bars, ect.
But I don't think its the norm to have live musicians playing in hotels, at least not in the modern era. At least not as a standard every day thing. In connection with a bar on site, sure i have seem some hotels offer bands, or singers, but even then i would say its not very typical. But even in the instances i have seen it, it is usually a special service, like at happy hour, or thursday nights, and set for a limited time in order to drive attendance. Not just playing as almost background music throughout the day.
So i think i would go, if not so far as crazy, as saying its definitely outside outside the norm to just have people playing in the lobby of the hotel as a standard/every day basis to just provide music, that could otherwise be provided via tape for ambiance.
TrainsOfDisney
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that’s kind of the point…. You don’t go to Disney for “the norm”
Disstevefan1
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“the norm” is today's design concept for Disney.... Especially when building DVCs
JMcMahonEsq
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No that's true.
But even from a Disney standpoint, its not the norm. I don't know of any other hotel that has its own dedicated every day musical entertainment. Its not a glaring omission that its not at the Grand Floridan.
Something like this is going to be a HUGE personal taste kind of thing. To keep it objective as possible, i guess i would leave it as from a budget standpoint, spending money on ANY live entertainment for a single resort every day, not talking special even type stuff, when alot of even those resort guests are going to be at a park and not seeing it, isn't cost effective.
Disstevefan1
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You are right. Disney used the pandemic as a excuse to do cost cutting, deleting the orchestra from the most expensive deluxe resort on property; deleting the orchestra while continuing to raise prices.
JMcMahonEsq
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excuse? Wait, are you saying that in the face of a global pandemic that basically shuttered travel, both internationally and domestically, that shut down huge numbers of jobs which impacted disposable income spending, that there wasn't an actual basis for doing cost cutting? I mean seriously, leaving a side whether you agree that spending for live music that maybe 1.5% of your guest will ever see/enjoy (hughely rough number somewhat just pulled out of thin air, assuming 75% of WDW guests stay on property, and that GF is 1 out of 25 properties and then assuming 50% of people staying there actually go and experience the orchestra) are you really saying an entertainment and travel related business didn't have good reason to be looking to do cost cutting post pandemic?
TrainsOfDisney
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Well Grand Floridian still does - the piano player.
At WDW - Port Orleans Riverside and French Quarter have live entertainment. Boardwalk has the buskers. And Animal Kingdom Lodge has drummers.
Many resorts have campfires with marshmallow roasting, outdoor showings of Disney movies, and many other things outside the “norm” that makes Disney special
Disstevefan1
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OK, they got rid of the orchestra as just another cost cutting move at the most expensive deluxe resort on property while continuing to raise prices.
JMcMahonEsq
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ummmm and? Sky is blue? Water is wet?
If your trying to improve your budget, you don't lower spending and lower prices, that results in a neutral impact. You either cut costs and keep prices the same, OR if you can, you cut costs and increase revenue. And considering that lower level resorts are already more budget/economically priced with corresponding amenities, t makes some sense that your going to find more things that can be cut that do not majorly impact stays at the deluxe resort level.
Disstevefan1
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Disney is great. They are the world leader in cutting costs and increasing revenue.