BREAKING: Disney, Largest Union Reach Agreement

raven

raven

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I believe it's 3% this April, 3% next April plus $550 bonus (extra $100 to those making less than $8.50/hr) and an additional $100 bonus from the union. I say "I believe" because my union never laid out the details to us in person. Everything I learned about it was from the news.
 
Monty

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
raven said:
I believe it's 3% this April, 3% next April plus $550 bonus (extra $100 to those making less than $8.50/hr) and an additional $100 bonus from the union. I say "I believe" because my union never laid out the details to us in person. Everything I learned about it was from the news.
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You voted yes to a contract you didn't know the details of? :rolleyes:

Democracy in action...
 
TRONorail10

TRONorail10

Active Member
raven said:
Seriously? I lived in Detroit for 13 years and so many of my friends were laid off by GM. It was in the news all the time about their lay offs. That's not a fair compairison by any means.
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More Motor City representation down at Disney! Go Wings/Tigers!
 
C

COProgressFan

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AEfx said:
That's just a silly statement. Disney only has a limited number of positions, that number would not change just because more people would want to work there.

For what is expected of them, CM's are underpaid compared to other jobs in the area. The kid working at McDonalds doesn't have to drive to a parking lot and wait for a bus to take them to work, they don't have to adhere to the strict appearance standards, or the guest service standards, etc.

What I don't understand what is such a difficult concept is that here we all are, complaining on this board that the quality of CM's has gone down in the last decade or two, and people don't make the connection between this and the fact Disney pays extremely low wages.

What has happened is EXACTLY what you suggest - people have gone elsewhere. They'd rather work in a Deli, or McDonalds, for more money and a lot less hassle.

So here we are, with the few people who love their jobs staying, the rest people just passing time until something better comes along, and the huge amount of CP'ers who the vast majority have no investment in the job because they are just looking forward to getting drunk that night until they go back to college.

That's what the employee pool has come to at WDW, and why so many of us complain about declining standards. People have done exactly as suggested - they went elsewhere, and the loss of guest experience is paying for it.
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Well said. The employee/corporate relationship has a tremendous effect on all visitors to WDW in terms of hiring pool, quality of cast members, morale, etc. Companies often forget that treating their employees well means their workers are happier and more productive, and more dedicated to their jobs. This doesn't mean that wages should just double and everything would be great, but management needs to show that CMs are valued for what they do (and usually at lower wages, and with much higher demands than outside the Disney realm).

It's much more complicated than "if you don't like the job, then quit"... Because that's exactly what thousands of CMs do each year, and I'm not sure that's a good thing for the company or for guests.
 
wannabeBelle

wannabeBelle

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Wilt Dasney said:
I have a CM friend who went into the meeting knowing she didn't have to join. She said it worked just like what you said. When they passed around the sign-up sheets, she took a pass. Said she got some pretty weird looks from the union folks, but of course all they could do was pick up the sheet.

I'm a little torn on the issue. If I worked at WDW, I'd probably opt to keep more money in my own pocket by not joining, just because I'd know I could. But I'd also feel a little guilty knowing I was benefiting from whatever negotiating the union did on my behalf without personally chipping in. It's a personal call, I guess.
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Hey there, I Am not familiar with any of the unions mentioned in this article specifically, but I am familiar with a larger union here in New York. I can tell you that yes you absolutely have the right to opt out of the union if you so choose to. They do access a "Shop fee" I believe it is called and that covers your collective bargaining etc for contracts that would cover everyone such as wage negotiations etc. It may be similar there in Florida as well. The best people to ask of course are the union reps themselves. I hope this results in a win-win for all sides. Marie
 
raven

raven

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MontyMon said:
You voted yes to a contract you didn't know the details of? :rolleyes:

Democracy in action...
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I voted "yes" because it was more money in my pocket or no money. I went with the more money option.

I think the union tried to keep people in the dark about the details because they wanted them to vote their way. By telling people to vote "no" and not telling them the details, most of the non-english speaking ones would only know that. But people were getting fed up with the union not telling them the facts and found out for themselves and voted "yes." The union even tried to get the final word in by placing a big sign on the ballet box that said "NO" to make sure you did. Still didn't work. :lol:
 
Alektronic

Alektronic

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raven said:
I voted "yes" because it was more money in my pocket or no money. I went with the more money option.

I think the union tried to keep people in the dark about the details because they wanted them to vote their way. By telling people to vote "no" and not telling them the details, most of the non-english speaking ones would only know that. But people were getting fed up with the union not telling them the facts and found out for themselves and voted "yes." The union even tried to get the final word in by placing a big sign on the ballet box that said "NO" to make sure you did. Still didn't work. :lol:
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Shouldn't you say "my" union instead of "the" union. 4 unions recommended a "yes" vote and only 2 unions recommended a "no" vote.
 
raven

raven

Well-Known Member
Alektronic said:
Shouldn't you say "my" union instead of "the" union. 4 unions recommended a "yes" vote and only 2 unions recommended a "no" vote.
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To me it's "the" union. :animwink:

Heard earlier today it was something like 2,000 no votes and 4,000 yes. Quite the landslide.
 
Monty

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
raven said:
By the way, just heard that any bonus will be considered as a "gift" and will be taxed 30%. Yikes!
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So weird... In Canada, a gift is tax-free. Lottery winnings and money won on a game show are too. If we win the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes, the annual payments are taxed as income, but if we take the optional lump-sum it's tax-free.

But any money we get that is considered taxable is taxed at our nominal tax rate based on our total income for the year.
 
TimNRA757

TimNRA757

Member
Sorry for the bump but I couldn't let this slide.

What I have a problem with when it comes to these union folks who whine about us (the evil CP's taking 'their jobs' away) and decide to take out all their anger on us is the fact that I have a college degree and have invested thousands of dollars into my flight training and if I were to walk out and get a job in the airline I'd be making 20K a year, maybe even as low as 17K. So I really don't want to hear this crap about how you think you should be making any more than that considering the skills involved are basically something the average 'normal' person could do. I'm not being a snob or part of the entitlement class. I'm not entitled to anything, but as long as I see these dumb kids go out and get a job flying regionals from $17-23K I am not going to complain at all about Disney's pay.
If anything, maybe the union should be compensating me for the 'hostile' environment some of their members seem to enjoy creating for us CP's... in my first week here I've already had 3 run ins.
On the other hand I see where that hostility comes from. A lot of these idiot kids don't take this job seriously and think it's all fun and games. They really don't care about Disney and some have never even been here and just think it'll be a fun job away from the parents for a little bit.
 
Goofnut1980

Goofnut1980

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TP2000 said:
I belonged to a union for awhile, and the union was happy to take my dues money (and it was BIG money at that), yet had an entirely ineffective system of communicating, or not communicating at all, with its paying members. That was quite awhile ago though.

In this day and age it's completely unacceptable for a union leadership to not communicate quickly and effectively with the members who pay you money to "serve" them. Websites, Email, Twitter, mass-text messaging, etc. All of those are at their disposal, but it doesn't sound like they are using them effectively. It doesn't sound like they are even posting updated paper fliers up on the union bulletin board. But I imagine they've got a big plate of donuts and snacks at the union hall meetings where the same dozen people show up each month to grouse. :rolleyes:

But the union will happily take money out of your paycheck though, right? And they'll pat themselves on the back next week about the "great contract" they "won" for you right? (Even though it's the exact same contract Disney had been offering all along, before all this hassle the union stirred up.) All that is straight out of the dusty old union playbook. How funny, and sad, that they haven't changed one bit in the 21st century with all this technology around them.

I feel sorry for the deserving, hard-working CM's that pay these union bosses their hard earned money for that kind of treatment. :(

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I agree with you completely!

I worked for CWA Union for 7 years and all I can say is NEVER again! If you don't know what CWA is, its Communication Workers of America. Yes I worked for the local phone company. Yes the union did help me get paid well.. but they took $900 a year in Union Dues to only get let go after 7 years. They had employees get fired for never coming to work or abusing the system with FMLA, but the Union fought to bring them back due to seniority and when the company had to restructure, I who used 1 sick day in 3 years was let go for someone that had been there longer and was fired for not coming to work.. got their job back because of that seniority.
So, why, yes, the unions can be a good thing.. they also can be a pain. I bet Disney would actually pay their employees more for not having a union because they don't have to negotiate the little silly things!
 
MattyDrums

MattyDrums

Member
I dont always agree with unions but I would never EVER go to a Disney Park if they decided to hire scab workers.

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.

Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.
...
When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.

Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.

Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commision in the british army.

The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.

A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.

Author --- Jack London (1876-1916)
 

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