Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

[smile]

Conversely, DAK (like DHS before it and DCA after it) followed Eisner's dubious strategy of opening half-parks with the intention of adding more later..

i don't think half-parks with expansion plans (assuming they certainly happen) are inherently bad, but additionally building on the cheap is what resulted in brand (even ceo) tarnishment and, more importantly, plenty of additional capex to simply make right, as building new over 5-yr-old (or less) construction is absurd

 

[smile]

it was a trend setter

if only

 

[Bender123]

i don't think half-parks with expansion plans (assuming they certainly happen) are inherently bad, but additionally building on the cheap is what resulted in brand (even ceo) tarnishment and, more importantly, plenty of additional capex to simply make right, as building new over 5-yr-old (or less) construction is absurd

Heck...MK was a half park when it opened. I always feel like people forgot the vacant field that was tomorrowland, Adventureland before Pirates and Frontierland without Thunder Mt.

This is basically the Disney way since Disneyland.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Heck...MK was a half park when it opened. I always feel like people forgot the vacant field that was tomorrowland, Adventureland before Pirates and Frontierland without Thunder Mt.

This is basically the Disney way since Disneyland.

Not quite the same...for a lot of reasons

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Heck...MK was a half park when it opened. I always feel like people forgot the vacant field that was tomorrowland, Adventureland before Pirates and Frontierland without Thunder Mt.

This is basically the Disney way since Disneyland.

Not sure I completely agree, although I do see your point — and I think this is part of what was amazing about Disneyland Paris, which was a really rich Park from day one and then added a few attractions in short order after opening. The fact that its attraction menu holds up as well as it does to this day despite having not grown significantly since the mid 90’s speaks to how unusually strong the design of the Park was from the early days. Despite all the trouble the resort has faced, the Park itself never really faced the growing pains that most others navigate in their first decade or so. I don’t think DLP could ever have been called a half-day Park.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Heck...MK was a half park when it opened. I always feel like people forgot the vacant field that was tomorrowland, Adventureland before Pirates and Frontierland without Thunder Mt.

This is basically the Disney way since Disneyland.

The MK wasn't a half-day park, it had more attractions in 1971 than DAK has twenty years after opening...

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Not sure I completely agree, although I do see your point — and I think this is part of what was amazing about Disneyland Paris, which was a really rich Park from day one and then added a few attractions in short order after opening. The fact that its attraction menu holds up as well as it does to this day despite having not grown significantly since the mid 90’s speaks to how unusually strong the design of the Park was from the early days. Despite all the trouble the resort has faced, the Park itself never really faced the growing pains that most others navigate in their first decade or so. I don’t think DLP could ever have been called a half-day Park.

DLP is a tremendous park, thankfully still largely unspoiled by the madness of post 1994 TWDC. But - it depends a bit on personal definition - but I count less attractions either on its opening day or even now than the MK in 1971.

It is debatable whether the MK is the greatest or second greatest theme park ever build (after EPCOT), but it easily the finest castle park ever designed. Forever underrated, no doubt greatly owing to its strength, beauty and authenticity having been greatly undermined by later alterations.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The MK wasn't a half-day park, it had more attractions in 1971 than DAK has twenty years after opening...

What exactly is, “the Walt Disney World”?

 

[smile]

Not sure I completely agree, although I do see your point — and I think this is part of what was amazing about Disneyland Paris, which was a really rich Park from day one and then added a few attractions in short order after opening. The fact that its attraction menu holds up as well as it does to this day despite having not grown significantly since the mid 90’s speaks to how unusually strong the design of the Park was from the early days. Despite all the trouble the resort has faced, the Park itself never really faced the growing pains that most others navigate in their first decade or so. I don’t think DLP could ever have been called a half-day Park.

a lovely, beautiful park -
how's it go... built by wed fans for wdi fans

 

[The_Jobu]

What exactly is, “the Walt Disney World”?

It's an up charge event where they give you Mickeybars on the swan boats.

 

[cheezbat]

The MK wasn't a half-day park, it had more attractions in 1971 than DAK has twenty years after opening...

What's crazy to me seeing that lineup is how after over 46 years, the Magic Kingdom STILL only has those same six lands. There once was Toontown Fair, but that's gone. All the other castle style parks have more lands...maybe it's time for a new land at MK...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What's crazy to me seeing that lineup is how after over 46 years, the Magic Kingdom STILL only has those same six lands. There once was Toontown Fair, but that's gone. All the other castle style parks have more lands...maybe it's time for a new land at MK...

Yeah...but the dynamics in Orlando dictate that a new land in magic kingdom is the LAST thing they'd want to do from a distribution standpoint.

I'm still shocked they're adding the two things that they are already...the tron ride is gonna drive 3 hour waits as is...

They need to spread demand to increase the overall numbers (that's the goal...lets get real here...)

So now that they are adding stuff to Epcot...I'd say one more thing beyond what's being constructed will do the trick...and MGM is going to be overrun...

What is the park that still needs the most to increase attendance?

Same
As
Always: animal kingdom.

 

[kong1802]

What is the park that still needs the most to increase attendance?

Same
As
Always: animal kingdom.

Still can't believe they thought putting 1 great ride and 1 terrible ride (it's basically a short version of IASW minus the AA's) would be all that Pandora needed. It was so half a**ed. If they would have really turned that land out like they should/could have, I think it would of helped increase their overall attendance. Currently, after you FP FOP, you still are left with a half day park. IMO.

I still don't see what a Brazil pavilion does for EPCOT. I guess I'm missing the "allure" of a new country pavilion, especially one with no attraction.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I still don't see what a Brazil pavilion does for EPCOT. I guess I'm missing the "allure" of a new country pavilion, especially one with no attraction.

Ding ding ding...

The answer is "nothing"

 

[jimbaker84]

Still can't believe they thought putting 1 great ride and 1 terrible ride (it's basically a short version of IASW minus the AA's) would be all that Pandora needed. It was so half a**ed. If they would have really turned that land out like they should/could have, I think it would of helped increase their overall attendance. Currently, after you FP FOP, you still are left with a half day park. IMO.

I still don't see what a Brazil pavilion does for EPCOT. I guess I'm missing the "allure" of a new country pavilion, especially one with no attraction.

They may be wanting to satisfy the many Brazilian tour groups that file into WDW every year. I think if they fleshed out some of the existing pavilions by adding attractions that would be a better use of resources. An Indian or Thai pavilion would look great if they are insistent on expanding the portfolio of countries in world showcase.

I think Animal Kingdom was a half day park when it first opened, however on our recent visit we had no issues filling a day at the park.

 

[Phicinfan]

Still can't believe they thought putting 1 great ride and 1 terrible ride (it's basically a short version of IASW minus the AA's) would be all that Pandora needed. It was so half a**ed. If they would have really turned that land out like they should/could have, I think it would of helped increase their overall attendance. Currently, after you FP FOP, you still are left with a half day park. IMO.

I still don't see what a Brazil pavilion does for EPCOT. I guess I'm missing the "allure" of a new country pavilion, especially one with no attraction.

If I may - Balance.
Don't forget, they are adding two attractions/rides to WS in France and UK and recently updated(most political way to put it...) Norway's attraction. Still also the potential for a refurbish of Mexico. So adding one additional Pavillion with new food and decor is a bit of a balance.

Also please remember we are getting a new ride in FW with GotG, already updated Mission Space. With some additional work being done.

I actually kind of enjoy the balance. Would I have preferred a ride with Brazil...sure. But not all go to Epcot for the rides, just walking the WS and seeing and experiencing their cultures is a nice break from Ride after ride.

 

[Phicinfan]

I will add - I am not an AK fan. In the many trips we have made we spend less than half a day there, just not our "cup of tea" as it were.

Would that change if they made more expansions...not sure. Honestly Pandora isn't a draw for me, other than I would love to walk through it at least once. I am a HUGE indy fan, so if Indiana Jones did take over Dinorama, that could change.

But just adding another country per say would not be a big draw for me.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They may be wanting to satisfy the many Brazilian tour groups that file into WDW every year. I think if they fleshed out some of the existing pavilions by adding attractions that would be a better use of resources. An Indian or Thai pavilion would look great if they are insistent on expanding the portfolio of countries in world showcase.

I think Animal Kingdom was a half day park when it first opened, however on our recent visit we had no issues filling a day at the park.

They would never build a country pavilion and take on the longterm maintenance/employee costs for tour groups.

First, there's not as many as you think as a percentage of the whole.

Second, the brazillian economy is not worth betting on...i.e. The tour groups won't last forever. It's a corrupt, flimsy credit bubble system...all bubbles break.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If I may - Balance.
Don't forget, they are adding two attractions/rides to WS in France and UK and recently updated(most political way to put it...) Norway's attraction. Still also the potential for a refurbish of Mexico. So adding one additional Pavillion with new food and decor is a bit of a balance.

Also please remember we are getting a new ride in FW with GotG, already updated Mission Space. With some additional work being done.

I actually kind of enjoy the balance. Would I have preferred a ride with Brazil...sure. But not all go to Epcot for the rides, just walking the WS and seeing and experiencing their cultures is a nice break from Ride after ride.

I actually agree with you on using showcase as the balanced approach...

But since they removed one country theme, and are proceeding with IP insertion in at least one more...

A traditional country pavilion - high labor not focused on a central ride - does not really make sense, does it?

(I know you're not gonna say "tour groups"...right?)

 

[Bender123]

The MK wasn't a half-day park, it had more attractions in 1971 than DAK has twenty years after opening...

We all want to think with rose colored glasses, but this lineup is really sad compared to today and even compared to other park openings...It was never designed to be a full park on opening and the idea of a "full day" park wasn't really a consideration on opening. The park was there as a family draw for the other "resort" features (golf, lounges, dinner shows, tennis, boating, etc...).

When you boil the attractions down to the core, there is not a lot to do...A few spin rides (Dumbo/tea party/carousel), some true classics (Mansion, Peter Pan, Jungle cruise, IASW, 20K, MTWR), a few animatronic shows (Tiki/Bears/MMR/HOP) and some "filler" (Keel boats/Riverboat/stare at the floor THE RIDE!/various versions of cars/shooting gallery).

MK was extremely sparse until the 80s and was not at all what you see today. When you look at that list, there are two, maybe three current "E" ticket rides and they are all dark rides.

When the MK opened, we didn't have BTMR, SM, PotC, Splash, Star Jets, If You Had Wings, CoP, TTA, train stations or circle vision...it was a park you went to with the family to get the kids tired before you went to Broadway at the Top...