Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

[jimbaker84]

They would never build a country pavilion and take on the longterm maintenance/employee costs for tour groups.

First, there's not as many as you think as a percentage of the whole.

Second, the brazillian economy is not worth betting on...i.e. The tour groups won't last forever. It's a corrupt, flimsy credit bubble system...all bubbles break.

Yeah that's fair enough re their economy, but i've been going to WDW for over 20 years and can remember copious amounts of them coming in right through the global recession.

It could be that they just want to add a South American country as none are represented on WS at present. I would prefer that they add a ride based attraction if they push ahead with the pavilion, would like to see something like Splash Mountain (but bigger) but themed on Iguazu Falls. Wishful thinking ...

 

[lazyboy97o]

They may be wanting to satisfy the many Brazilian tour groups that file into WDW every year. I think if they fleshed out some of the existing pavilions by adding attractions that would be a better use of resources. An Indian or Thai pavilion would look great if they are insistent on expanding the portfolio of countries in world showcase.

I think Animal Kingdom was a half day park when it first opened, however on our recent visit we had no issues filling a day at the park.

The Brazil Pavilion has been moving forward because it has sponsorship, not some weird attempt at pandering.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It could be that they just want to add a South American country as none are represented on WS at present. I would prefer that they add a ride based attraction if they push ahead with the pavilion, would like to see something like Splash Mountain (but bigger) but themed on Iguazu Falls. Wishful thinking ...

Very fair...if they build (and let's face it, it's a aircraft carrier sized "IF")...it's for another agenda than tour groups. That's my point.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Brazil Pavilion has been moving forward because it has sponsorship, not some weird attempt at pandering.

...all eyes on that. Assuming the mystery sponsor isn't some Brazilian Enron. Disney will lock the finances in longterm before they move an inch.

 

[kong1802]

If I may - Balance.
Don't forget, they are adding two attractions/rides to WS in France and UK and recently updated(most political way to put it...) Norway's attraction. Still also the potential for a refurbish of Mexico. So adding one additional Pavillion with new food and decor is a bit of a balance.

Also please remember we are getting a new ride in FW with GotG, already updated Mission Space. With some additional work being done.

I actually kind of enjoy the balance. Would I have preferred a ride with Brazil...sure. But not all go to Epcot for the rides, just walking the WS and seeing and experiencing their cultures is a nice break from Ride after ride.

Right now, IMO, the balance has been skewed to the countries with no attractions. Adding the attractions is adding the "balance". Putting another country in with no attraction does nothing for balance. I just have a hard time believing they will undergo this expense for a shop and a restaurant. I don't see the pull. Doesn't mean I'm right, I just can't see it. I see the case for the attractions, and even the overlay (which I'll believe when I see). I just can't see how Brazil = More profit.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For those who only want rides, that response makes sense. For those who appreciate the educational and cultural experience of the World Showcase and enjoy exploring each country, adding a new country is a wonderful addition - even without a ride. We easily spend over half a day exploring and enjoying the World Showcase.

I get that...you want "edu-tainment"...which we more purists types do.

Iger has pretty much outright rejected that, however.

 

[MrHappy]

I get that...you want "edu-tainment"...which we more purists types do.

Iger has pretty much outright rejected that, however.

The are building a new pavilion(s) because Restaurants, Bars, and Shops make more money than trees. Also Restaurants, Bars, Shops are more interesting than trees.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The are building a new pavilion(s) because Restaurants, Bars, and Shops make more money than trees. Also Restaurants, Bars, Shops are more interesting than trees.

It's a technicality...but they aren't building anything at this point.

Restaurants, bars and shops make more money than trees? In disney parks one of those makes a lot more than to other two...

It's something to watch and see what happens.

 

[Phicinfan]

I actually agree with you on using showcase as the balanced approach...

But since they removed one country theme, and are proceeding with IP insertion in at least one more...

A traditional country pavilion - high labor not focused on a central ride - does not really make sense, does it?

(I know you're not gonna say "tour groups"...right?)

Does it make sense? Not sure. I don't think they plan to have every Pavilion in WS to have a ride. I think some of them need to maintain just the film or some other attraction. Otherwise you really do make it two seperate parks per say. Having the newest Pavilion focus on the area and its culture instead of some new ride may be what they want(or at least what they are convincing themselves to cover cost cutting...).

I don't think they want full rides in each Pavilion. It sets up a huge cost for them in the future. Adding key attractions(or lets be honest here... IP that fits in those Pavilions.....Rat in France and Mary Poppins in UK, heck Coco in Mexico as well) its an additional draw...but NOT the main focus.

Just my $0.02

 

[Phicinfan]

Right now, IMO, the balance has been skewed to the countries with no attractions. Adding the attractions is adding the "balance". Putting another country in with no attraction does nothing for balance. I just have a hard time believing they will undergo this expense for a shop and a restaurant. I don't see the pull. Doesn't mean I'm right, I just can't see it. I see the case for the attractions, and even the overlay (which I'll believe when I see). I just can't see how Brazil = More profit.

I may not have made my point on balance clear. I do not expect them to balance the number of rides in WS vs. FW. My point is, they need some additional draw in WS thus the move to Frozen in Norway, adding Rat in France and potential adds of UK ride and Coco maybe in Mexico.

But I don't think the long term plan is to put a ride in every WS pavilion. It might have been originally, but I don't think they will long term. If they do what is rumored, and add all three, and then add Brazil as a new Pavilion, they have some solid balance and more pull for Epcot overall. All of this of course is depending on what all is done with FW as well.

 

[kong1802]

I may not have made my point on balance clear. I do not expect them to balance the number of rides in WS vs. FW. My point is, they need some additional draw in WS thus the move to Frozen in Norway, adding Rat in France and potential adds of UK ride and Coco maybe in Mexico.

But I don't think the long term plan is to put a ride in every WS pavilion. It might have been originally, but I don't think they will long term. If they do what is rumored, and add all three, and then add Brazil as a new Pavilion, they have some solid balance and more pull for Epcot overall. All of this of course is depending on what all is done with FW as well.

I guess I'm thinking of all that the park needs, and don't know how they land on putting in a new country on that list.

But if we get all the additions, and then Brazil, I won't complain.

I think adding the rides and the FW will increase attendance which leads to more money. I don't see Brazil incrementally increasing attendance, but again, I am probably relying on my personal preference too much to have a solid opinion.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I guess I'm thinking of all that the park needs, and don't know how they land on putting in a new country on that list.

For many of the attractions that exist and are languishing, they need major upgrades if not complete replacements as a top priority over adding new attractions. Not that you can't do both, but, languishing attractions cost money to run and aren't pulling their weight with crowd control.

The national pavilions, however, are not languishing. Therefor, it makes sense to grow their number, especially since sponsorship pays for it (or most of it).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For many of the attractions that exist and are languishing, they need major upgrades if not complete replacements as a top priority over adding new attractions. Not that you can't do both, but, languishing attractions cost money to run and aren't pulling their weight with crowd control.

The national pavilions, however, are not languishing. Therefor, it makes sense to grow their number, especially since sponsorship pays for it (or most of it).

I will never understand any plans moving forward that don't include Imagination! (Brought to you by Kodak)...

They're adding rides to the showcase and sureing up the left side now...you have to do the pivot on the right between the two halves of the park.

Wonders of life foundering was bad enough...but it was off the path a little.

 

[larandtra]

I look at it this way...IF, and thats a huge IF, they put a lot of work into FW and make it ride centric learning, even with IPs if they must, and make that side of Epcot worth spending a chunk of the day in, Then I dont see the need for tons of "attractions" in WS. Keep it cultural, shopping, good restaurants, small attractions here and there, and the park would be balanced. But, its all based upon them building up FW back to what it was supposed to be.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I will never understand any plans moving forward that don't include imagination...

They're adding rides to the showcase and sureing up the left side now...you have to do the pivot on the right between the two halves of the park.

Wonders of life foundering was bad enough...but it was off the path a little.

Your failure to capitalize created two truths to your statement.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Your failure to capitalize created two truths to your statement.

Easy there, grammar Rambo...hard to be perfect on highways

 

[smile]

Easy there, grammar Rambo...hard to be perfect on highways

hey willis,
what chu talkin bout?!

 

[doctornick]

What's crazy to me seeing that lineup is how after over 46 years, the Magic Kingdom STILL only has those same six lands. There once was Toontown Fair, but that's gone. All the other castle style parks have more lands...maybe it's time for a new land at MK...

I think Storybook Circus should be considered a seperate land from Fantasyland (it's pretty detached thematically IMHO). That said....

I'm a fan of continuing the time/geographic progression around the RoA clockwise and building an area themed to the Pacific Northwest or Alaska Klondike beyond Splash/ BTMRR.

 

[aladdin2007]

I think Storybook Circus should be considered a seperate land from Fantasyland (it's pretty detached thematically IMHO). That said....

I'm a fan of continuing the time/geographic progression around the RoA clockwise and building an area themed to the Pacific Northwest or Alaska Klondike beyond Splash/ BTMRR.

I have always thought so too, it could have been touted as a brand new land for the Magic Kingdom as well that they missed out on. Instead of increasing lands they decreased the number, by taking away toontown and merging storybook with fantasyland. I know they kept calling fantasyland as new fantasyland but thats really not the same. It was a merge and addition within a land. off topic I know, back to Brazil programming lol.

 

[marni1971]

If I may - Balance.
Don't forget, they are adding two attractions/rides to WS in France and UK and recently updated(most political way to put it...) Norway's attraction. Still also the potential for a refurbish of Mexico. So adding one additional Pavillion with new food and decor is a bit of a balance.

Also please remember we are getting a new ride in FW with GotG, already updated Mission Space. With some additional work being done.

I actually kind of enjoy the balance. Would I have preferred a ride with Brazil...sure. But not all go to Epcot for the rides, just walking the WS and seeing and experiencing their cultures is a nice break from Ride after ride.

Don’t be too sure about "balance". Not everything is safe.