Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When the park was announced in 1995 they said it would open in the spring of 1998. Which it did.

Site work started in late 93 or early 94...it opened in 98...but wasn't ready.

This isn't a bold stance. One land opened late, one was cancelled, one was stripped down...

That's a lot of cuts - there's a reason why - the safari alone and the bonsai tree supposedly spent the whole piggy...

World showcase opened a year later and was massively over budget...but it did open.

Still waiting for a lot over at DAK to open.

 

[Mainahman]

Exaclty...I'll scratch your butt if you scratch mine

I'm in! I have no shame!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm in! I have no shame!

Amen, my brother...just don't stick us next to some damn howling monkeys or lemurs that never shut up and throw feces...

 

[peter11435]

Site work started in late 93 or early 94...it opened in 98...but wasn't ready.

This isn't a bold stance. One land opened late, one was cancelled, one was stripped down...

That's a lot of cuts - there's a reason why - the safari alone and the bonsai tree supposedly spent the whole piggy...

World showcase opened a year later and was massively over budget...but it did open.

Still waiting for a lot over at DAK to open.

No doubt the park had (has) issues.

No doubt they blew the budget it was given.

I just don’t believe the $1.8 billion number

 

[smile]

Why were they so gunshy to touch it for 15 years?

It was like Disney's version of the Montreal Olympics

touch what?

1.8 to open? surely, you jest... +asia? +EE? +avland?

and budgets were obviously blown, but one can't expect a kmart ak to have been worth a damn, for several reasons

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No doubt the park had (has) issues.

No doubt they blew the budget it was given.

I just don’t believe the $1.8 billion number

To be fair...I never fully believed it either...

But the stories were persistent and lined up...it wasn't till 10 years later I heard/saw the $1.8-2.1 (if we're honest) and it floored me but still I couldn't reject the concept.

Remember also that the DAK expansion was huge...so they may have gotten some infrastructure costs thrown in...

6000 rooms at all star
2000 at Coronado
The largest water park (apparently last)
A very expensive signature hotel
The west side was part of the same cap ex plan...

So grain of salt...

But $800-$1 bil isn't close...if you asked them, they'd change the subject.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

touch what?

1.8 to open? surely, you jest... +asia? +EE? +avland?

and budgets were obviously blown, but one can't expect a kmart ak to have been worth a damn, for several reasons

The construction dynamics were all screwed up...lots of factors involved...

But even today we see aftershocks that are epicentered over there.

 

[peter11435]

To be fair...I never fully believed it either...

But the stories were persistent and lined up...it wasn't till 10 years later I heard/saw the $1.8-2.1 (if we're honest) and it floored me but still I couldn't reject the concept.

Remember also that the DAK expansion was huge...so they may have gotten some infrastructure costs thrown in...

6000 rooms at all star
2000 at Coronado
The largest water park (apparently last)
A very expensive signature hotel
The west side was part of the same cap ex plan...

So grain of salt...

But $800-$1 bil isn't close...if you asked them, they'd change the subject.

If you’re including all of those other projects then sure.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

touch what?

1.8 to open? surely, you jest... +asia? +EE? +avland?

and budgets were obviously blown, but one can't expect a kmart ak to have been worth a damn, for several reasons

And by the way...

Asia was in the initial build...

Remember what happened about a month before Everest was announced?
I'll tell you - Eisner had the first proxy vote staged against him. He got ousted the next year. One of the primary complaints? "Timidity in the theme parks"...after dca and studios paris had opened. It was a rushed blue sky...his "do something" move. And dipstick imagineer spent like $250 on it and it doesn't work. Less junkets to Nepal next time, Picasso.

Avatar is another $500+ of grease...but notice it opened 19 years later after the wound stopped seeping..:a little.

Epcot gets the rep as the weird money pit...truth is it was an engineering marvel while DAK is much more interesting. And you could get McDonalds.

 

[smile]

But even today we see aftershocks that are epicentered over there.

aaand a little place over there by katella and harbor

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If you’re including all of those other projects then sure.

I'm not:..just looking for possible reasons for egregious spending...the final bill for all of that stuff is pretty high...along with funding for the Osceola parkway that's utterly useless.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

aaand a little place over there by katella and harbor

...oh that's sooo well done

You're a craftsman

 

[aladdin2007]

It's awesome...good thing the whole compound is overrun so the demand stays up...

I beg to differ, its barren bland show scenes and shoehorned in where it did not belong. But this argument has gone back and forth in general for four years now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I beg to differ, its barren bland show scenes and shoehorned in where it did not belong. But this argument has gone back and forth in general for four years now.

Sarcasm, my friend...i died on the hill defending the Norge when it was announced

 

[mikejs78]

I beg to differ, its barren bland show scenes and shoehorned in where it did not belong. But this argument has gone back and forth in general for four years now.

I don't think many will disagree with you about it being shoehorned where it doesn't belong. But it's a popular, classic, quality Disney dark ride. It would be better if it was in Fantasyland, but taken just on it's own, it's well done.

 

[aladdin2007]

Sarcasm, my friend...i died on the hill defending the Norge when it was announced

I apologize, I read it the wrong way lol. My flag was waving on the hill with yours.

 

[marni1971]

Budgeted? From 1979 to 1994? Sounds about right...

I'm not sure disney ever admitted what the bill was in Epcot...by the time it really hit the fan they had bigger problems

A little over 1.2 billion to the end of 1982.

Which was more than DAK cost.

DAKs problem wasn’t so much overrun (of which it did) but more there wasn’t enough budget to build the planned park.

 

[marni1971]

From Martin in the UK thread

My quote was regarding the circa 2010 third party publicity stunt for Australia at Epcot.

I’ve not heard anything since officially or unofficially about an Australian WS pavilion.

 

[Princess Leia]

My quote was regarding the circa 2010 third party publicity stunt for Australia at Epcot.

I’ve not heard anything since officially or unofficially about an Australian WS pavilion.

Ah, got it, thanks for clearing that up

 

[smile]

DAKs problem wasn’t so much overrun (of which it did) but more there wasn’t enough budget to build the planned park.

bing!

dak with a dca approach would have been a total mess...
dca with a dca approach has been a mess - not worth it.