Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion

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JLipnick

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Bocabear said:
I also do very much appreciate the vibe of World Showcase... Not saying we need thrill rides in World Showcase, but some attractions more like El Rio, (but better done), More things to do other than shop and eat... Just don't want their first expansion in 20 years to be a carousel or spinner ride, or another live show...they really need to build some decent attractions and additions here...
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I agree. i personally prefer the movies showcasing the beauty and wonders of the countries for WS. I absolutely love the China, France, and Canada movies (Canada being my favorite). Or a slow moving ride (water or not) through immersive scenery of that country would be nice. anything else more resembling a thrill ride would be better suited in FW or another park IMHO. Chances are I will never visit any of the countries in WS (maybe one or two as our kids get older or I win the lotto) and the movie or other such attractions really give a nice glimpse of what those countries provide without actually being there.
 
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rushtest4echo

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Geographically, Morocco is obviously in Africa (obvious post is obvious, can't believe someone posted that haha).

But I think they were trying to point to sub-Saharan Africa though. Culturally, Morocco's closer to Spain and the Middle East than the big representative countries of South and Central Africa. In fact Morocco really geographically closer to Europe and the Middle East than it is to those South and Central African areas. Egypt is another country that wouldn't represent sub-Saharan Africa very well at all. Of all continents, the cultural, ethnic, climate, topology, and political systems in North vs Central vs South Africa are probably the most diverse. So a representative like South Africa, Madagascar, ZImbabwe or similar countries would be a good "new addition" geography and culture wise. Then again, so would something from Oceania or South America and they've got much more politically and economically stable governments and an ability to pay for such a thing. I'm not sure even South Africa has the clout and resources to beat out those other continents.
 
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doctornick

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WDW1974 said:
And as of right now, FL hasn't caught up to CA ... whether it will or not remains to be seen.
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I thought it was pretty well established that DL's Star Wars land would open 4-6 months prior to DHS and construction has been relatively consistent with that in terms of how far "behind" DHS has been at the same point in construction.

I don't think anyone is expecting WDW to "catch up", just that it will progress at a similar pace but 4-6 months behind its west coast sibling.
 
WildcatDen

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WDW1974 said:
OK ... so this has turned into an Olympics thread ... can we talk about whether Frozen belongs in EPCOT or how TFA's box office is a measure of it being a good movie (which it really wasn't)? God, I'm hungry for a real cheese steak sammich ...
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October82

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rushtest4echo said:
Geographically, Morocco is obviously in Africa (obvious post is obvious, can't believe someone posted that haha).

But I think they were trying to point to sub-Saharan Africa though. Culturally, Morocco's closer to Spain and the Middle East than the big representative countries of South and Central Africa. In fact Morocco really geographically closer to Europe and the Middle East than it is to those South and Central African areas. Egypt is another country that wouldn't represent sub-Saharan Africa very well at all. Of all continents, the cultural, ethnic, climate, topology, and political systems in North vs Central vs South Africa are probably the most diverse. So a representative like South Africa, Madagascar, ZImbabwe or similar countries would be a good "new addition" geography and culture wise. Then again, so would something from Oceania or South America and they've got much more politically and economically stable governments and an ability to pay for such a thing. I'm not sure even South Africa has the clout and resources to beat out those other continents.
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It would be nice to see "modern Africa" represented. Yes, DAK covers "Equatorial Africa", but it does so in a way that reflects a narrow view of the continent's past. A pavilion dedicated to the present and future could be very unique and different.
 
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rushtest4echo

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October82 said:
It would be nice to see "modern Africa" represented. Yes, DAK covers "Equatorial Africa", but it does so in a way that reflects a narrow view of the continent's past. A pavilion dedicated to the present and future could be very unique and different.
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Absolutely. I'd love to see Cape Town flanked by Table Mountain. But then we'd have some more former Dutch and British colonies represented in EPCOT too (ouch that hurts).
 
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DDLand

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rushtest4echo said:
So what I'm gathering is:

Future World opened as a shining beacon of Disney Magic, Innovation, and Creativity.
World Showcase was an aborted park concept that never really materialized in the way that it should have.
Along the way, Future World lost its way and likely won't be getting back on track in the near or even distant future. World Showcase morphed from a hollow, attraction poor area to the parks main draw and that was done without rides or adding more pavilions. It was done with festivals, shopping, dining and entertainment. Now, 35+ years later, many people think that Future World is dead and buried (not that I disagree), and that World Showcase is in dire need of a complete re-tooling when it's actually the only well-functioning part of the park? I get that people want to see something different out of WS, but it's actually the thing propping up the park now- to change it would be crazy. Future World clearly needs all of the attention right now. WS could sit unchanged for another 20 years and still draw a crowd.

I've already gone on record stating that I'd love nothing more than to see a dark ride in every single pavilion. Make it a C ticket for all I care. Throw stuff like Pinocchio and Peter Pan quality into each pavilion and I'd be a happy camper. Seriously, put a 50's/60's style smallish dark ride themed to an animated classic in every single pavilion and I'd probably live at EPCOT.

Still though, these are pipe dreams that never materialized, even during the Golden Age of EPCOT or whatever people want to call the 80's. It's not like WS has removed attractions.
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I've bolded what seem to be your key points.

You're right that World Showcase hasn't changed drastically. Some would take issue with some of the smaller developments and Norway, but at its core things have been rather unshifting.

Why then should World Showcase add content?

Because Orlando has changed.

World Showcase used to be more novel. It had incredibly immersive environments. It was an unusual and distinctive offering. Where else could you enter a themed environment and be totally transported to foreign countries?

At its launch, World Showcase set the standard for themed environments. There was nothing like it. They only made it better with a stunning and lavish Morocco Pavillion that to this day remains a standard for what is possible with good art design.

The novelty was not to last forever. People both inside and outside of Disney took note of what World Showcase did. Joe Rohde famously took his team to Moroccan Pavillion when they were just beginning Animal Kingdom and said he wanted to create a whole park like this. The Wizarding World focused on total and completely enveloping immersion. Disney's Hollywood Studios is adding a new land that will attempt to go further than ever before in immersion.

Another one of World Showcase's hooks was its' unique shopping and dining. That's also under siege. Even shopping centers like Disney Springs and Citywalk have added more distinct shopping and dining experiences.

What was once a novelty has become the latest trend. In order to remain relevant, Disney needs to keep World Showcase competitive with other immersive environments.

Disney squandered a decades long lead and failed to build much of anything (except Norway RIP). Now they're playing catchup.

Walt Disney World, the most reactionary place on Earth!
 
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aladdin2007

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I'll believe a new pavilion when I see the construction wall go up and sign on the front. However, at the same time I respect our true insiders enough to keep the light of hope lit and I believe what they say in full. Things are getting interesting.. My only concern is if they were to to build a new pavilion without an attraction, then would we truly ever see one? The track record is pretty bad. Yet Norway did open without Maelstrom completed or ready.....Also by now I would think Disney would realize sponsors just do not want to pay the astronomical price tag and fees they want, cough, the Norway/frozen mess as an example.
 
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DDLand said:
I've bolded what seem to be your key points.

You're right that World Showcase hasn't changed drastically. Some would take issue with some of the smaller developments and Norway, but at its' core things have been rather unshifting.

Why then should World Showcase add content?

Because Orlando has changed.

World Showcase used to be more novel. It had incredibly immersive environments. It was an unusual and distinctive offering. Where else could you enter a themed environment and be totally transported to foreign countries?

At its' launch, World Showcase set the standard for themed environments. There was nothing like it. They only made it better with a stunning and lavish Morocco Pavillion that to this day remains a standard for what is possible with good art design.

The novelty was not to last forever. People both inside and outside of Disney took note of what World Showcase did. Joe Rohde famously took his team to Moroccan Pavillion when they were just beginning Animal Kingdom and said he wanted to create a whole park like this. The Wizarding World focused on total and completely enveloping immersion. Disney's Hollywood Studios is adding a new land that will attempt to go further than ever before in immersion.

Another one of World Showcase's hooks was its' unique shopping and dining. That's also under siege. Even shopping centers like Disney Springs and Citywalk have added more distinct shopping and dining experiences.

What was once a novelty has become the latest trend. In order to remain relevant, Disney needs to keep World Showcase competitive with other immersive environments.

Disney squandered a decades long lead and failed to build much of anything (except Norway RIP). Now they're playing catchup.

Walt Disney World, the most reactionary place on Earth!
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Understood, agreed. But I'm trying to apply Disney's logic, not yours/mine. :) It's like the Mission: Space thread. Do I welcome improvements? Sure. But other things desperately need attention in a park/resort with limited creative/financial abilities way more than World Showcase. It's been a stable, relatively successful area of the parks despite a percentage of guests being bored with it and another percentage that want to see improvements. It's not like the place isn't booming with people during the festivals regardless of how it's achieved. I think it's a model they're comfortable with, and a massive change seems curious to me considering again, I'd fix about a million other things before touching the Showcase.
 
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Do we really think that they would use The Three Caballeros IP again if it was removed from Mexico? Personally I like the Gran Fiesta tour as it is and surprisingly so does our 7 year old son!
 
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