Body Found in Burning Car near Fantasia Mini-Golf (Epcot Resort Area)

nickys

Premium Member
Have people get background checks and charge for a WDW Precheck Program similar to TSA PreCheck, Nexus or Global Entry programs.

Personal data then can also be mined and sold to Disney Predictive Marketing customers.

When? It would have to be at the time of booking tickets. But then you can get tickets from any number of ticket sellers. And how would you link the pre-checks to the person? If I buy them for my family and then arrive at MCO and get on ME, how do they check who I am at that point? It’s one thing for those staying onsite; (just about) impossible with those who just turn up on Friday morning heading to DHS.
 

James J

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I told you some people on here would attack me. This site and many of its members are so predictable.

You've never been attacked. The other occasion was when you repeatedly posted on the topic regarding Chicken Guy opening at DS, stating that it was terrible and that Chick-fil-A was pretty much the pinnacle of fried chicken - despite the restaurant not being open yet. You accused us all of being myopic and thinking that Disney could do no wrong.

Anyway, this is sad news and was could possibly just be a very unfortunate incident.
 

Tick Tock

Well-Known Member
I'm wondering if the victim simply passed out due to being intoxicated, and was also smoking in the car(?) Though I can't imagine someone being so out of it to not feel when their vehicle is on fire. This is sad, but I'm not rushing to assume foul play until more details emerge.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Serious question. I don't know if some posts have been cut out or what has happened but, all I have seen is that a car caught on fire (which is hardly something that never happens) and apparently by choice or accident the occupant was unable to get out (perhaps a heart or other problem) and that we should now have every single car that comes on property scanned to determine if it is on the verge of bursting into flames(?) or the persons in it are very close to a massive stroke(?) or something, perhaps being pursued by drunken gang members(?). I truly am confused as to how we got to that seemingly off the wall reaction? What did I miss seeing or misread.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Serious question. I don't know if some posts have been cut out or what has happened but, all I have seen is that a car caught on fire (which is hardly something that never happens) and apparently by choice or accident the occupant was unable to get out (perhaps a heart or other problem) and that we should now have every single car that comes on property scanned to determine if it is on the verge of bursting into flames(?) or the persons in it are very close to a massive stroke(?) or something, perhaps being pursued by drunken gang members(?). I truly am confused as to how we got to that seemingly off the wall reaction? What did I miss seeing or misread.

Just someone jumping to a conclusion that it was the work of a “bad element” (their words) that could be prevented by pre-screening everyone on WDW property. And then complaining he was being attacked for his flawed plan.

The post is on page 1.
 

Nubs70

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When? It would have to be at the time of booking tickets. But then you can get tickets from any number of ticket sellers. And how would you link the pre-checks to the person? If I buy them for my family and then arrive at MCO and get on ME, how do they check who I am at that point? It’s one thing for those staying onsite; (just about) impossible with those who just turn up on Friday morning heading to DHS.
When? - At some point prior to setting reservation

Ticket Sellers? - Cleance before reservation, Would not matter from whom tickets are bought.

Identity Validation? WDW would have your biometric data assigned to your MM+ account.
 

UncleMike101

Well-Known Member
I'm wondering if the victim simply passed out due to being intoxicated, and was also smoking in the car(?) Though I can't imagine someone being so out of it to not feel when their vehicle is on fire. This is sad, but I'm not rushing to assume foul play until more details emerge.
I can assure you that people routinely get that out of it.
I've seen people so messed up they couldn't find their butt with either hand.
Drinking may, or may not, be a contributing factor in this incident but I'd leave it open as a possibility until the investigation shows otherwise.
 

nickys

Premium Member
When? - At some point prior to setting reservation

Ticket Sellers? - Cleance before reservation, Would not matter from whom tickets are bought.

Identity Validation? WDW would have your biometric data assigned to your MM+ account.

How would they have my biometric data? I’m from the U.K. so how would they have it before I arrived? So how could I board ME if I need to be cleared before I enter WDW? And not sure about the legalities of keeping biometric data on kids either.

What about offsite visitors, around 65-75% of visitors? Do they need to be cleared at the gates. How long would this take, per car? It would cause gridlock!

And more importantly, what would this achieve? I already need to get cleared before I arrive in the US. The only thing my biometric data would be good for is if I was found in a burnt out car .......
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Just someone jumping to a conclusion that it was the work of a “bad element” (their words) that could be prevented by pre-screening everyone on WDW property. And then complaining he was being attacked for his flawed plan.

The post is on page 1.
Oh, I read that but, I just thought it was someone that posted something on the wrong thread or there was a post previously to that that said something different that had been removed. After that I didn't give it a thought so I just continued on, but, then I saw the argument and I wondered if I had missed something that made that statement have some sort of legitimacy. Guess it didn't.
 

nickys

Premium Member
See...now THIS is constructive and not attacking me.

There are many ways to do a pre-screen. Doing a background check as part of a reservation on a Disney property, which can stay on file with Disney would tremendously enhance security.

That's just one example. I was in the military as an officer for many years and large area security is very possible. It isn't easy, but nothing worth doing ever is.

Surely there has to be a pretty good reason to carry out that level of security checks though? And I would suggest that a body in a burned out car is not a good reason, for the simple reason that even if this turns out to be foul play, it is unlikely to be someone staying onsite.

Even then, that level of security clearance to stay at WDW? When twice as many people, at least, visit every day from offsite. If Disney wish to retain their position as the most visited theme parks in the world, they would be ill advised to go down that path.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Automatically calling someone "Ridiculous" is not constructive AND IS an attack.

You want to talk thicker skin, let me try to call someone in the high school clique on this site "ridiculous" and see how fast I am banned.
Actually, your post was really out of the blue, for anyone to jump to such a wild conclusion with absolutely no information about what happened, the concept was ridiculous. That doesn't make you ridiculous until you come back on and defend a non-defendable (at this point) argument. The constant insistence that you are being treated badly for suggesting something that is completely off the wall is what is really ridiculous. And if you hate this Disney twitter type banter why are you still insisting on joining in.
 

King Panda 77

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lazyboy97o

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Well, I know they got rid of some of the late night clubs and I believe it was Pleasure Island to dissuade a bad element from frequenting Downtown Disney. That's another reason they renamed and re-themed it Disney Springs.
There was no issue with a “bad element” at Downtown Disney. That was an excuse made up by people to justify closing all of the clubs and it included a conspiracy carried out with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office to falsify information regarding crimes because the public records of this pervasive “bad element” don’t exist.
 
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s8film40

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This is what happens when you keep growing Walt Disney World. While we don't know the circumstances around the burning body in the car it stands to reason that the bigger you make Walt Disney World and the more bodies you cram onto the property, the more you increase your odds to have a bad element enter your property at some point.

They changed Downtown Disney to keep out the local riff-raff, but that doesn't mean that trouble won't go elsewhere. Walt Disney World is not a secure property...though maybe it should be.

I suggested to Disney a few years back about a way to screen vehicles before they come onto the property. Allow regular visitors to go to Disney Springs, but stop them from going into the resort areas and parks before a security pre-screening and vehicle check prior to entry.
Exiting and returning to the property after the initial check can be as simple as getting onto the hotel resorts by using your magic band because you have already been screened.

That would also eliminate or severely reduce the need for baggage checks and long security lines at the parks since people will have already gone through perimeter screening.

The bigger WDW gets, the more dangerous it will become.

And now I fully expect some people to attack me on here because that's what people do on this site sadly.
I told you some people on here would attack me. This site and many of its members are so predictable.
Not to in any way attack your idea, it's not bad and there would certainly be a lot of specifics to go back and forth with, but it has a very big problem you might not have considered. Disney does not own the roadways through property, they are public roads. This means there's no legal way for Disney to do this. The general public has just as much of a right to access those roads as Disney does. Likewise any private entity attempting to block access like this would be violating existing laws.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
Gee, and from what I have been reading Chicken Guy food is overcooked and not very good as per the opinions of those who have eaten there. And I based my educated observation on Fieri's other horrible restaurants..........and I was right.

And since you seem to be so good at reading and remembering other's responses, go back again and see the attacks on this site.
Not constructive, all insulting or accusatory.

Or do you only follow the histories of MY posts?
I haven’t eaten there yet but I have yet to read a bad review.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Where were you when Disney greenlight Frozen Ever After (Replacing Malstrom) or letting Spectromagic rot much to the dismay of WDW fans?
Some of us love FEA, and are really okay with its placement. 😂

Spectromagic being left to rot breaks my heart though.

I’m assuming no new details about the unfortunate individual in the car, right? (Yes, I finally figured out which thread this is.)
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
Seems to me the most logical assumption is that it was some sort of employee or worker (uber/rideshare) sleeping in their car with it running and it caught fire, they passed out and never knew what was happening. It's certainly possible it could be something more sinister, but the WDW property is pretty heavily patrolled and not really an ideal place for something like that.
 

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