News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!

[Raidermatt]

Walt and Roy were effectively equals as well. Yes, Walt was the public face of the company and today his name is known far more than Roy's. And Roy did try very hard to make the creative visions that Walt had work. But Roy was a powerful force as well and could stand up to his brother and tell him something wasn't going to work. Roy does not get nearly enough credit for the success of the company as he deserves. Kinda like how today folks still remember Michael Eisner but rarely hear Frank Wells' name associated with Disney.

Calling them equals is patently false. I agree Roy played a big role, and he does deserve more credit than he often gets, but he did not call the shots. He was more of a filter for Walt's visions to run through. And while he sometimes did have to convince Walt something simply could not be done, more often his role was to figure out HOW to make Walt's plans viable financially. And he was great at it. But he did not out an out run major portions of the company as Wells did. The overall vision of the company came 100% from Walt. He was THE creative force within the company, and he also knew how to get creativity out of the very talented people he recruited. He also had a very strong business acumen on his own. He understood what people wanted without having to take a survey, But yes, he needed Roy when it came to high finance.

Eisner was never that creative force, no matter how he thought of himself. And again, Wells out and out ran major portions of the company. He was the choice to lead the company and for the most part, he did just that, and he was fine letting Eisner give the speeches and put himself on TV. The contrast of pre-Wells and post-Wells, almost to the day he passed, shows exactly who was keeping the company moving forward.

In other words, Wells was more than capable of running Disney himself. Eisner clearly was not. As important as Roy O was, nobody would ever say the company would have been better off with him running the show without Walt.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Even if Ezra 'behaves,' there's still some legal trouble that needs to be resolved that may keep reminding everyone of his 'issues.'

Toxic DCEU Twitter fandom keeps reminding everyone of their hate for Ezra.

How is disliking Ezra Miller "toxic"? I'm not into the DCEU (I stopped watching after Man of Steel), but I did like Fantastic Beasts 1 and (albeit to a much lesser extent) 3. The news of Miller's behavior over the past couple of years has made watching those films very uncomfortable. I can imagine the same would apply to DCEU fans who enjoy those films. Disgust and hatred are entirely reasonable and sane reactions.

 

[MisterPenguin]

How is disliking Ezra Miller "toxic"? I'm not into the DCEU (I stopped watching after Man of Steel), but I did like Fantastic Beasts 1 and (albeit to a much lesser extent) 3. The news of Miller's behavior over the past couple of years has made watching those films very uncomfortable. I can imagine the same would apply to DCEU fans who enjoy those films. Disgust and hatred are entirely reasonable and sane reactions.

I didn't mean to imply that disliking Ezra is toxic, but the DCEU fanbase, as it exists on Twitter, is toxic in general, and the Ezra drama is like giving a bear a mountain of cocaine.

The DCEU Twitterverse has one creed: If I like it, it is the best that ever is, everyone who disagrees can die, I demand more of it, and any competitive title is the worst that has ever existed.

Sorta like here, but not that bad.

 

[TwilightZone]

Ralph Breaks the Internet - Nov. 2018 $529M
Frozen II - Nov. 2019 $1.4B
Raya and the Last Dragon - March 2021 $130M
Encanto - Nov. 2021 $256M
Strange World - Nov. 2022 Still in theaters

Ralph was a decent sequel.
Frozen is a juggernaut.
Raya and Encanto are both pandemic movies that struggled due to that and I think poor management under the Chapek regime. Encanto has become a cultural hit tho.
Strange World is struggling but not done yet. Another film I think is poor due to the Chapek regime.

At the very least that’s a solid 3 out of 5 hits.

Ralph 2 - While I do groan at what I call "social media friendly" moments in disney films (self aware jokes and moments that feel like they are meant to be memes), Ralph 2 is the only disney movie I think that actively ages itsef. It is probably going to become more and more difficult to watch as time goes on due to it feeling like an internet time capsule. I'd even dare say it's already dated...

Frozen 2 - love the aesthetics of this movie, but this did not have the cultural appeal of the first I am afraid. It appeared then disappeared as soon as it came. I still see Frozen discussed, but never its sequel.

Raya - possible cult classic? Looks to me like a modern mulan, have yet to see, but it has a dedicated small fanbase.

Encanto - the juggernaut, I think disney needs to take notes based on this one's success. Most unique disney film in a while IMO.

Strange World - and the failure. Have yet to see, but ouch, the box office is so poor it's historical. Might also turn into a cult classic, but I think its box office failure will dominate most conversations about it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Calling them equals is patently false. I agree Roy played a big role, and he does deserve more credit than he often gets, but he did not call the shots. He was more of a filter for Walt's visions to run through. And while he sometimes did have to convince Walt something simply could not be done, more often his role was to figure out HOW to make Walt's plans viable financially. And he was great at it. But he did not out an out run major portions of the company as Wells did. The overall vision of the company came 100% from Walt. He was THE creative force within the company, and he also knew how to get creativity out of the very talented people he recruited. He also had a very strong business acumen on his own. He understood what people wanted without having to take a survey, But yes, he needed Roy when it came to high finance.

Eisner was never that creative force, no matter how he thought of himself. And again, Wells out and out ran major portions of the company. He was the choice to lead the company and for the most part, he did just that, and he was fine letting Eisner give the speeches and put himself on TV. The contrast of pre-Wells and post-Wells, almost to the day he passed, shows exactly who was keeping the company moving forward.

In other words, Wells was more than capable of running Disney himself. Eisner clearly was not. As important as Roy O was, nobody would ever say the company would have been better off with him running the show without Walt.

Apples and oranges.

Disney wasn’t a major Hollywood player during the boys tenure as it was circa 1990

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ralph Breaks the Internet - Nov. 2018 $529M
Frozen II - Nov. 2019 $1.4B
Raya and the Last Dragon - March 2021 $130M
Encanto - Nov. 2021 $256M
Strange World - Nov. 2022 Still in theaters

Ralph was a decent sequel.
Frozen is a juggernaut.
Raya and Encanto are both pandemic movies that struggled due to that and I think poor management under the Chapek regime. Encanto has become a cultural hit tho.
Strange World is struggling but not done yet. Another film I think is poor due to the Chapek regime.

At the very least that’s a solid 3 out of 5 hits.

They’re not close To covering budgets these days.

That could reverse…but they are definitely at a low point.

 

[dreday3]

Ralph 2 - While I do groan at what I call "social media friendly" moments in disney films (self aware jokes and moments that feel like they are meant to be memes), Ralph 2 is the only disney movie I think that actively ages itsef. It is probably going to become more and more difficult to watch as time goes on due to it feeling like an internet time capsule. I'd even dare say it's already dated...

Frozen 2 - love the aesthetics of this movie, but this did not have the cultural appeal of the first I am afraid. It appeared then disappeared as soon as it came. I still see Frozen discussed, but never its sequel.

Raya - possible cult classic? Looks to me like a modern mulan, have yet to see, but it has a dedicated small fanbase.

Encanto - the juggernaut, I think disney needs to take notes based on this one's success. Most unique disney film in a while IMO.

Strange World - and the failure. Have yet to see, but ouch, the box office is so poor it's historical. Might also turn into a cult classic, but I think its box office failure will dominate most conversations about it.

I am part of Raya's cult fanbase.

I didn't watch it at first, thinking I wouldn't like it. One night I was bored and put it on.
Wow. I loved it! Great story, no singing (which I like sometimes), fun, good characters and the colors....it's a gorgeous movie. I'm surprised so many people don't like it. It's definitely a re-watch for me.

 

[DCLcruiser]

That’s why I said folks would have to compromise.

Maybe it’s because my friend and I are used to Disneyland, where it’s normal and common to leave and return, but we had no problem leaving MK for food (not that we had a choice, we couldn’t find any open restaurants for dinner). Additionally, I don’t think losing park time is necessarily a bad thing. As a first-timer, sure. But if one has visited the parks multiple times, what’s the big deal if they don’t get to do things that they’ve already done a bunch of times before? This is partially why I can’t get with Genie+. Why would I pay to skip the general line for a ride I’ve already ridden hundreds of times, and when that option used to be free? If I don’t get to do something on one visit, no big deal. There’s hopefully next time.

As @UNCgolf said, it depends on the type of guest. You are very much used to people going to DLR on a whim, like it is the mall. For WDW, people are planning months in advance for a trip. I am not an AP/DVC (would love to be DVC), and despite going a lot in my life, it's every few years for us, unless I get lucky haha. Genie+ is a must have for us as we only spend one day per park, so to do it all, we need to skip lines. I agree, that there are rides you can skip, as we did last week. However, leaving the parks for lunch, is a stretch for us. I think my real point was that WDW is not a budget trip, and you just have to lean in to spending $$$ the whole time, and not be upset about it. There are better budget trips that could be had.

 

[HauntedPirate]

What people think is going to happen with Iger back at the helm:

What's actually going to happen with Iger at the helm:

And most of what people dislike about the parks/cruise line/company was started... while Iger was CEO.

 

[_caleb]

Ralph 2 - While I do groan at what I call "social media friendly" moments in disney films (self aware jokes and moments that feel like they are meant to be memes), Ralph 2 is the only disney movie I think that actively ages itsef. It is probably going to become more and more difficult to watch as time goes on due to it feeling like an internet time capsule. I'd even dare say it's already dated...

Frozen 2 - love the aesthetics of this movie, but this did not have the cultural appeal of the first I am afraid. It appeared then disappeared as soon as it came. I still see Frozen discussed, but never its sequel.

Raya - possible cult classic? Looks to me like a modern mulan, have yet to see, but it has a dedicated small fanbase.

Encanto - the juggernaut, I think disney needs to take notes based on this one's success. Most unique disney film in a while IMO.

Strange World - and the failure. Have yet to see, but ouch, the box office is so poor it's historical. Might also turn into a cult classic, but I think its box office failure will dominate most conversations about it.

historic

 

[LittleBuford]

Ralph 2 - While I do groan at what I call "social media friendly" moments in disney films (self aware jokes and moments that feel like they are meant to be memes), Ralph 2 is the only disney movie I think that actively ages itsef. It is probably going to become more and more difficult to watch as time goes on due to it feeling like an internet time capsule. I'd even dare say it's already dated...

Or it could become an interesting time capsule that prompts nostalgia for a particular technological moment. I know it’s not much liked here in the forum, but I think it’s a thoroughly enjoyable film.

 

[Raidermatt]

Apples and oranges.

Disney wasn’t a major Hollywood player during the boys tenure as it was circa 1990

Well, Disney still wasn't a major player in the early 80's, which was the primary reason Eisner (or another Hollywood power broker) was viewed as a necessity. And this perceived need was why they caved an gave him the CEO title, while ensuring Wells still had major influence in all areas and could out and out run major portions of the company.

Regardless, it was not a Walt/Roy dynamic.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The point is it used to be unthinkable for a studio to open a big tent pole the same weekend as a new Pixar film. But, Pixar is not what it used to be, it’s cultural cache has diminished greatly, and the other studios clearly aren’t as intimidated. It’s a new IP vs Batman Multiverses feat The Flash. It’s true the respective audiences may not overlap that much but the studios typically want to be able to have at least one weekend (or two) with little competition. We’ll see who comes out on top in June

You can’t make any judgements like this based on the actions of WB. The studio is flailing and none of its decisions are driven by what would conventionally be described as logic. Save this post for when another studio counterprograms a Pixar release.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I didn't mean to imply that disliking Ezra is toxic, but the DCEU fanbase, as it exists on Twitter, is toxic in general, and the Ezra drama is like giving a bear a mountain of cocaine.

The DCEU Twitterverse has one creed: If I like it, it is the best that ever is, everyone who disagrees can die, I demand more of it, and any competitive title is the worst that has ever existed.

Sorta like here, but not that bad.

DC fandom makes Star Wars fandom look measured and well-adjusted. It’s that bad.

 

[Raidermatt]

What people think is going to happen with Iger back at the helm:

What's actually going to happen with Iger at the helm:

And most of what people dislike about the parks/cruise line/company was started... while Iger was CEO.

Very true. Iger is much better at PR, so he and his team will be much better at spinning things.

He also at least sees some importance in the benefit side of the value equation, at least as compared to Chapek. So I would anticipate a slower, more measured approach to cuts on that side, as was the case pre-Chapek. In a nutshell, I expect a return to a slow, methodical chipping away process as opposed to the carpet bombing approach of Chapek. Call it the lesser of two evils.

The one thing that cannot be denied though is that cast member morale plummeted under Chapek. I expect this to improve significantly under Iger.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

Deadline be an a** for reporting on Christine "fat-reducer" McCarthy being the next CEO!

Disney’s Christine McCarthy Emerges As Top CEO Contender To Succeed Bob Iger; CFO Was King Killer Who Took Down Bob Chapek

After delivering the fatal blow to last CEO, the Mouse house CFO is now a top bet to be the next CEO

deadline.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

Deadline be an a** for reporting on Christine "fat-reducer" McCarthy being the next CEO!

Disney’s Christine McCarthy Emerges As Top CEO Contender To Succeed Bob Iger; CFO Was King Killer Who Took Down Bob Chapek

After delivering the fatal blow to last CEO, the Mouse house CFO is now a top bet to be the next CEO

deadline.com

What recent CEO hasn't said something awkward or off-putting?

Imagine a McCarthy/Feige team running Disney.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You can’t make any judgements like this based on the actions of WB. The studio is flailing and none of its decisions are driven by what would conventionally be described as logic. Save this post for when another studio counterprograms a Pixar release.

Even thinking logically, if it were me I’d probably try to get the movie buried as much as possible if I had to release. Don’t need people talking about the star.

 

[SirLink]

Deadline be an a** for reporting on Christine "fat-reducer" McCarthy being the next CEO!

Disney’s Christine McCarthy Emerges As Top CEO Contender To Succeed Bob Iger; CFO Was King Killer Who Took Down Bob Chapek

After delivering the fatal blow to last CEO, the Mouse house CFO is now a top bet to be the next CEO

deadline.com

The BoD needs to realise - they need to hire externally, if they want to get the halcyon days of the company.

 

[DCLcruiser]

The BoD needs to realise - they need to hire externally, if they want to get the halcyon days of the company.

Great way to show that the company didn't do its job and develop talent internally.