News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Odd person to be loyal to.

Unless you can self-identify.

Every villain needs a sidekick...

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The worst trend of the current trolling internet era is acting like critical opinion means nothing, or even worse, is somehow indicative of some content actually being bad.

The problem is it’s often true, audiences just want to be entertained, critics factor in too many other things like substance or commentary that really don‘t matter to most casual movie fans who just want to be entertained.

Turning Red was decent but it ranks towards the bottom of Pixar movies in fan reviews, 70% fan rating is far from a dumpster fire but it’s also far from the “masterpiece” the critics ratings portray.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Actually, it would've been a real barnburner. You can't have it both ways, say "Pixar has lost the way and has no heart," and then dismiss something that is full to brimming with heart, like this, and act dismissive about it. It would've been a hit. Soul would've been a hit. Luca would've been a hit. And that momentum would've made Lightyear big.

BZZZZTTT!!!! I've said nothing about Pixar "losing its way", or "Soul", or "Luca". Try again.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Actually, it would've been a real barnburner. You can't have it both ways, say "Pixar has lost the way and has no heart," and then dismiss something that is full to brimming with heart, like this, and act dismissive about it. It would've been a hit. Soul would've been a hit. Luca would've been a hit. And that momentum would've made Lightyear big.

Every morning at 7:45, I drop off my kids at a school that goes from Pre-K 3 to 8th grade. I have never once seen a single backpack, scarf, t-shirt, notebook, or stuffed animal from Turning Red. I've seen more Raya and the Last Dragon gear than Turning Red.

What gear do I see? Bluey, Spidey & His Amazing Friends, Encanto, Moana, Frozen, Mario, Pikachu, Toy Story, general Princess, Elena of Avalor, Minecraft.

 

[HauntedPirate]

How bad was "Turning Red"? I'd rather watch "The Good Dinosaur".

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well, no one accused her of being the brightest bulb on the string. Except maybe Kathleen Kennedy.

My quote was censored.

 

[HauntedPirate]

My quote was censored.

Oh man... Now I want to go find the full quote.

 

[MrPromey]

Oh damn the critics love it, based.

It wasn't a bad movie.

The metaphor of the red panda went straight over my nine year old son's head and he laughed plenty through it although there was an awkward moment when he asked me what "stripper music" was.

It was an animated movie really not made for kids and the whole menstruation thing which got all the controversy was only a small part of why.

Same with Soul. I liked it and there was nothing bad for kids in it but it was clearly made for adults. (this one, my son found boring)

Which is fine unless you're a studio expected to make family-geared movies intended to become merchandising and synergy producing blockbusters.

Then you've got a little bit of a problem on your hands.

... But Pixar and Disney in whole is in this weird phase now where they're walking a tightrope attempting to appeal to their traditional base of families with kids while also separately appealing to adults between 20-40 who don't have kids, all using the exact same products.

You see it in the movies and in the parks/resorts.

It's a weird dynamic.

 

[mf1972]

seems like every time i kind of get kind of caught up to this thread, 4-5 more pages pop up. can i stop? sure, but it’s like a drug man.

 

[Lilofan]

Kareem Daniel just left

Kareem Daniel Exits Disney As Bob Iger Sets Restructuring Of Media And Entertainment Distribution Division

Kareem Daniel is exiting Disney as head of its Media and Entertainment Distribution division, one day after the ouster of CEO Bob Chapek.

deadline.com

This is just the beginning. I expect Iger to re-org parts of the company and that includes layoffs.

 

[BuddyThomas]

276 people who like a dumpster full of that was set ablaze.

Kiri Hart was associated with the movie, and once I saw her name in the end credits, I knew immediately why I didn't care for the movie one iota when I was watching it.

NO. 276 CRITICS - 95% positive rating.
Audience rating is 71% positive with more than 5,000 verified reviews. Certified FRESH. So, you happen to be in the minority, but that’s okay. This is a thread about Chapek, and people finding reasons to complain, even though their enemy has finally been vanquished.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I've come to the realization that Chapek's ouster is probably a bad thing. Now where are we going to get things like, "Unfavorable guest mix", "synergy machine", and other timeless Bob quotes from??? A certain WDWOnion Twitter account is really going to have to get creative again, since $lappie wrote so many jokes all by himself.

And I was all set to get a t-shirt that had "Unfavorable Guest" on the front and "Synergy Machine" on the back for whenever I decided to return to the parks.

 

[brb1006]

I agree. Strange World will flop hard as the marketing has been abysmal, and it looks average at best.

The next Frozen II or Ralph Breaks the Internet. It's probably not great like Zootopia or Wreck it Ralph. Original films typically need to be to draw an audience. Although I disagree that Turning Red was bad. I thought it was definitely above average, but given the better Encanto did mediocre in theaters, I doubt it would have done better, but double dipping still is a better financial move than leaving money on the table.

Disney needs quality, not quantity.

Crossing my fingers for "Wish" to be decent.

 

[el_super]

The 'throw all the money you can at content' is what AT&T with HBO Max and Disney with Disney+ are learning the hard way that it's an awful strategy.

Iger gets this and is why I am ecstatic about his return over Chapek. Creativity comes first, then you have to reign in financially, not the other way around.

I'm not at all sure if I can buy the idea that Iger somehow is a better creative than Chapek.

They have spent fantastically on their Disney+ productions. Sure maybe getting 6 hours instead of 2 creates some efficiencies, but they are still spending blockbuster level budgets on what are essentially TV programs.

The word from Wall Street is loud and clear: curb your spending. Disney must respond.

I absolutely foresee Disney+ becoming a dumping ground of reruns and reality TV, just the same as cable did. Financial stability first, creativity second.

The real question now is whether this will extend to the parks as well. Do more with less.

 

[Slpy3270]

New York Times had a great article on why the AT&T and TimeWarner merger failed. Business culture and strategy matter.

Fortunately Disney executives aren't AT&T executives, at least in terms of somewhat giving a crap.

 

[jpeden]

Well then, I think with Daniel’s quick removal we can see that he is here to unwind the changes made by Chapek including how he wanted to restructure TWDC.

I somewhat expected that but didn’t expect it on day one. Will be interesting to see who else’s head rolls or if this stems the bleeding….for now.

 

[Joel]

The worst trend of the current trolling internet era is acting like critical opinion means nothing, or even worse, is somehow indicative of some content actually being bad.

Except for when critics overwhelmingly dislike something (which 99% of the time means it actually is complete trash), I do find critical opinion a lot less useful than it used to be.

Trolling must be pretty tame these days if that's the worst trend.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Wizard of Oz technically lost money in 1939, but MGM said, "This isn't a failure, not really, because everyone's seen it and likes it. We succeeded in ways more important than money." And they were right.

And it's not memes running things. This is because I've seen the movies and I love them, with the exception of The Good Dinosaur. I love them, wholeheartedly. And having arbitrary standards of what makes a Pixar movie is absurd.

I guess I'm the only one who liked The Good Dinosaur.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Every morning at 7:45, I drop off my kids at a school that goes from Pre-K 3 to 8th grade. I have never once seen a single backpack, scarf, t-shirt, notebook, or stuffed animal from Turning Red. I've seen more Raya and the Last Dragon gear than Turning Red.

What gear do I see? Bluey, Spidey & His Amazing Friends, Encanto, Moana, Frozen, Mario, Pikachu, Toy Story, general Princess, Elena of Avalor, Minecraft.

What is this “observation” supposed to prove?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Except for when critics overwhelmingly dislike something (which 99% of the time means it actually is complete trash), I do find critical opinion a lot less useful than it used to be.

Trolling must be pretty tame these days if that's the worst trend.

Sure, positive critical reviews don't mean something is objectively good, but nor does another person's negative review mean something is objectively bad. What I find irritating is this tendency to say "This movie stinks!" then, when someone points out it got overwhelmingly positive reviews, the response is basically "that proves my point "

I also really don't get people being so invested in hating specific films, which seems to be a real trend lately. I didn't like Ralph Breaks the Internet, but this might be the first time I have posted about the film on here.