erasure fan1
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I can't speak for DCA but the Disney world lands fall short as of now. They are more show than anything else. They're all lacking in content.
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News Bob Iger is back! Chapek is out!!
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"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
My take on Eisner is that he genuinely wanted to do what was best for Parks&Resorts and the brand. He did make some poor decisions. And made a few awful ones.
But every EPCOT resort you stay at was green lit by him. So was DHS. And AK. And PI, the water parks, Downtown Disney, DVC, Disney Cruise Line, the moderates et al.
Iger wanted to achieve balance. And make everybody happy.
Chapek was a clown.
Eisner took risks. And not all worked out. But a few did. And WDW is better for it.
Iger is a smooth talking politician (used car salesman). You’ll always hear what you want out of him.
But every EPCOT resort you stay at was green lit by him. So was DHS. And AK. And PI, the water parks, Downtown Disney, DVC, Disney Cruise Line, the moderates et al.
Iger wanted to achieve balance. And make everybody happy.
Chapek was a clown.
Eisner took risks. And not all worked out. But a few did. And WDW is better for it.
Iger is a smooth talking politician (used car salesman). You’ll always hear what you want out of him.
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Jrb1979
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The way I see it was Iger always wanted to do a lot of these things. He also wanted to do it slowly so it didn't draw so much negative PR. Then Covid happened and gave them the excuse needed to change things.
Tha Realest
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Let’s not forget the hotels. All of the truly great resort hotels were built during Eisner and before. After him? Pretty below average if not terrible.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Possible, he had 20 years though, as I said earlier if this was his plan all along it’s the longest long game ever.
That or Chapek pounced as soon as he became CEO and implemented all the plans he wanted as parks chairman but couldn’t because Iger had the final say. One seems more likely to me but I’ll openly admit it’s 100% speculation, both are equally possible.
I know people talk about Eisner’s 2nd half being terrible… what would be some of his biggest mistakes thats people say were awful etc?
"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
We can start with Mr Toad.
Jrb1979
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While he had 20 years, I don't think any of these changes were thought til closer to when Genie was first announced. IMO if Iger never left these changes would have happened but would have rolled out a lot slower.
Im serious… listen i love the ride but that cant be counted as awful decision that tarnished his legacy.
"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Have you ridden Pooh?
Sir_Cliff
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See, that I completely agree with!
I tend to agree with all of this, too. There seems to be some room for nuance here. For example, the Lake Nona move appears to have been in the works when Iger was CEO. However, I've seen the suggestion that Chapek took a hardline approach that Iger is not likely to have taken which drove a mass exodus of talent all for the planned move likely being abandoned. I think a similar thing can be said about Genie+, etc. A lot of those ideas were almost certainly being incubated while Iger was CEO, but it was Chapek who declared that the pandemic meant that they could cast off taboos and do all the things they had been wanting to do for a long time leading to a sudden lurch in a direction most people don't seem to like and has led to a lot of bad press.I don’t think Igers a saint either, I just don’t see the line connecting the dots that others see.
I don’t think anything happens at Disney in a vacuum, there’s a dozen hands on everything, but I also don’t think Igers the puppet master pulling Chapeks strings, he had 2 decades at the helm to make these massive changes, if he’s the man behind them I don’t see why he wouldn’t have done them himself when he had full control.
I associate many of the positive park changes to Staggs so I really hope they bring him back, as a (recent) former parks exec I suppose he’s probably intertwined with all these horrible changes also though.
Yes its awful an absolute embarrassment
Tha Realest
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With the Lake Nona thing cancelled, I wonder what the future holds for Barbara Bouza. She came on during the Chapek years and was a Chapek hire/promotion.
"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
The biggest knock on Eisner from my perspective is how the parks stagnated in the mid to late 90’s to the mid 00’s.
He did build AK during that time… i dk enough of the history of why many insiders & knowledgable Disney people here say his 2h was unforgettable but i truly would like to be educated on what are the main reasons for this assessment
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think he lost his nerve after Euro Disney, he went from money is no object ideas to keep building but do it as cheaply as possible.
DCA was horrible, MGM studios was a half day park at best, AK was better than MGM but cutting Beastly Kingdom and adding Chester and Hester was a horrible money driven decision.
Overall Eisner was great because he laid the foundation for what we have now, without him WDW is probably 3 parks at most and half the number of hotels. Quantity over quality but it forced Iger to spend money I don’t think he would have if he weren’t forced too.
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"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Yes you did have AK. But not much else. But I think a lot is based on perception.
At least from the Orlando perspective- Uni was starting to come into its own at that point after about a decade. Other things were happening.
Perception that Eisner wasn’t moving fast enough (at least in Orlando). A view I don’t necessarily agree with.
bhg469
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That guy was king of cringe. He didn't even realize how annoying he became.. Such an unhinged weirdo.
"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Wasn’t just you.
I felt like I wandered into a cult every time I clicked on one of his threads.
I’m just sad I never learned the secret handshake.