Bob Iger at WDW now ... BoD to Follow?

[Rodan75]

No, but the cost wouldn't be quite so much either. You can turn a nice profit from simply putting a film back in theaters for a little bit, or at least you used to.

But not that scale of profit or renewed interested in the characters and merchandise. I get it, you don't want anyone to touch the classics. I'm not in love with all of these new movies either, but at least I acknowledge the rationale for why they are doing it.

 

[misterID]

Yet they'll happily go see Antman that has a token hispanic that acts like the most boilerplate chulo you can find and a token black guy who acts up his role as well. Or Planes, with their over the top mexican wrestler plane character. Or Minions which depicts all british people as having the same underbite and upper teeth.

People need to stop being so sensitive.

Yes. The thin skinned hypersensitivity is going to do nothing but aggravate even the reasonably intelligent to be less sensitive to fragile feelings. I'm getting there myself... Quickly.

Especially the hypocrisy among the self-righteous. Uggghhh. We're calling Bernie insensitive??? Shark jump.

 

[Cesar R M]

I know...in my original response on the topic, I did highlight that some films like Peter Pan and Dumbo. And in the response I was responding too specifically mentioned a 3-D Peter Pan.

While personally I feel these films are wonderful of examples of Disney at its best, we must also remember that they are very much products of their time and in some instances they contain unfortunate and outdated characterizations.

But again, my broader point, is that Disney is staking out claims on modern interpretations of these stories and characters so that they can continue to profit from them. They wouldn't make $1B on reissuing Alice in Wonderland or $600M off of Sleeping Beauty.

Its not like racism suddenly stopped. for example.. the new movie of Peter Pan... suffers from severe "whitewashing".
By casting every single character with a white actor.
Another fine example of this BS, was the "The Last Airbender" movie.. where only the bad guy was of a different ethnic.
Funny that Mr. Shymalan complained about this, but the producers were the ones pushing for that.

 

[ToTBellHop]

How is a thread about Bob Iger and the BoD visiting WDW last month an appropriate place for diatribes regarding racism in film?

Is this how another thread bites the dust?

 

[Matt_Black]

But not that scale of profit or renewed interested in the characters and merchandise. I get it, you don't want anyone to touch the classics. I'm not in love with all of these new movies either, but at least I acknowledge the rationale for why they are doing it.

I don't hate remakes. Generally, they're not very good as a rule, but occasionally you get one that's decent. And besides, Hollywood has been doing remakes almost since the very beginning; it's a little silly to criticize them now.

Having said that, there is something to be said for reissuing certain films. Look at Star Wars- they re-released those in the 90s, and they did massive business.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I don't hate remakes. Generally, they're not very good as a rule, but occasionally you get one that's decent. And besides, Hollywood has been doing remakes almost since the very beginning; it's a little silly to criticize them now.

Having said that, there is something to be said for reissuing certain films. Look at Star Wars- they re-released those in the 90s, and they did massive business.

Chit Chat.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Chit Chat.

Thank you - I'm just sitting back and waiting for the D23. I've enjoyed all of the inside information that been spoon feed us at times. Like people have said, there might be a small Star Wars announcement but no details like 2013. WDW will highlight Avatar and have a Pixar announcement. Remember back to the New Fantasy Land and how changed after the first announcement. Bob has a lot riding over seas.

 

[prfctlyximprct]

Thank you - I'm just sitting back and waiting for the D23. I've enjoyed all of the inside information that been spoon feed us at times. Like people have said, there might be a small Star Wars announcement but no details like 2013. WDW will highlight Avatar and have a Pixar announcement. Remember back to the New Fantasy Land and how changed after the first announcement. Bob has a lot riding over seas.

Bob should hop on boat and go overseas. Bye bye Bob.. I think I could make the changes WDW needs.. muhaha..

Can't wait for D23.. hate that I'm always wishing my summers away due to possible Disney announcements!

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Bob should hop on boat and go overseas. Bye bye Bob.. I think I could make the changes WDW needs.. muhaha..

Can't wait for D23.. hate that I'm always wishing my summers away due to possible Disney announcements!

Gives you an excuse to go to WDW after the announcements - and another one of your trip reports!

 

[prberk]

I don't hate remakes. Generally, they're not very good as a rule, but occasionally you get one that's decent. And besides, Hollywood has been doing remakes almost since the very beginning; it's a little silly to criticize them now.

Having said that, there is something to be said for reissuing certain films. Look at Star Wars- they re-released those in the 90s, and they did massive business.

If the remake can be great or even good (like The Champ and Disney's own Snow White, which was a remake of an early black and white film), do it. If it is just a cash-grab on an already iconic film (like Karate Kid, Willie Wonka, and currently, Vacation), then just don't waste our time.

I agree with the re-issues. Certain classics, especially the Star Wars films and Disney animation should be put back onto the big screen for each generation, just as Disney used to do. Yes, they are on video; but the big reissue still works for these films, as parents are fond of them and want to experience them with their kids. And teenagers tend to think that they are cool. All of which would come with little new production costs.

 

[Matt_Black]

If the remake can be great or even good (like The Champ and Disney's own Snow White, which was a remake of an early black and white film), do it. If it is just a cash-grab on an already iconic film (like Karate Kid, Willie Wonka, and currently, Vacation), then just don't waste our time.

I agree with the re-issues. Certain classics, especially the Star Wars films and Disney animation should be put back onto the big screen for each generation, just as Disney used to do. Yes, they are on video; but the big reissue still works for these films, as parents are fond of them and want to experience them with their kids. And teenagers tend to think that they are cool. All of which would come with little new production costs.

And it might help some films that weren't initially popular. Remember, Alice In Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty weren't well received on their first release; it was only with later reissues that they came to be regarded as classics. Maybe the same could be done with films like Hunchback or Treasure Planet.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

And it might help some films that weren't initially popular. Remember, Alice In Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty weren't well received on their first release; it was only with later reissues that they came to be regarded as classics. Maybe the same could be done with films like Hunchback or Treasure Planet.

Reissuing films to theaters was more of a thing back in the days prior to VHS (and further still, DVD) as a way of presenting films to audiences that weren't around at the time of their initial release - generations to whom those films would have been otherwise unavailable.

As sort of a happy accident, doing so worked to ensure the legacy of some of Disney's efforts which were not fully appreciated upon their first release.
If someone wants to watch Hunchback or Treasure Planet, they now need only hop over to the DVD shelf or Netflix.

Not that I wouldn't rather have the chance to see some of those films back up on the big screen, but the market is different now.

 

[Fantasmicguy]

I know...in my original response on the topic, I did highlight that some films like Peter Pan and Dumbo. And in the response I was responding too specifically mentioned a 3-D Peter Pan.

While personally I feel these films are wonderful of examples of Disney at its best, we must also remember that they are very much products of their time and in some instances they contain unfortunate and outdated characterizations.

But again, my broader point, is that Disney is staking out claims on modern interpretations of these stories and characters so that they can continue to profit from them. They wouldn't make $1B on reissuing Alice in Wonderland or $600M off of Sleeping Beauty.

It's true but I have seen both Peter-Pan and Dumbo completely uncut airing of Disney Junior. If they can air on that channel the racist characteristics on the big screen won't the problem. So you are more right in your point of them just wanting to be more modern but I feel that the only movies that it would be a large deal to just rerelese uncut are Fantasia and Song of the south. The rest are fair game.

 

[Matt_Black]

Reissuing films to theaters was more of a thing back in the days prior to VHS (and further still, DVD) as a way of presenting films to audiences that weren't around at the time of their initial release - generations to whom those films would have been otherwise unavailable.

As sort of a happy accident, doing so worked to ensure the legacy of some of Disney's efforts which were not fully appreciated upon their first release.
If someone wants to watch Hunchback or Treasure Planet, they now need only hop over to the DVD shelf or Netflix.

Not that I wouldn't rather have the chance to see some of those films back up on the big screen, but the market is different now.

First, re-releases went at least into the 90s, because I remember Oliver & Company got one about the mid-90s. Second, with a re-release comes a marketing push. Yes, Hunchback & TP are on DVD and Netflix, but the only people who'll find it are, generally, those already looking for it. It's not getting a new audience that way. The same goes with broadcasts on TV. Neither of those films, to my knowledge, gets shown on ABC Family or any of the Disney channels, unlike many other of the films from the mid-90s and early 2000s.

 

[Nubs70]

Thats a question I cant answer or reconcile....

A question I cannot reconcile is: If MK is so over capacity in comparison to the other parks, why would WDW add an attraction that will draw in more? I actually like TSI because you can actually get away from the mob.

 

[Shaman]

A question I cannot reconcile is: If MK is so over capacity in comparison to the other parks, why would WDW add an attraction that will draw in more? I actually like TSI because you can actually get away from the mob.

I think it's safe to say that the DHS redo will also draw more to the MK. The Castle Park paradox.

 

[prberk]

First, re-releases went at least into the 90s, because I remember Oliver & Company got one about the mid-90s. Second, with a re-release comes a marketing push. Yes, Hunchback & TP are on DVD and Netflix, but the only people who'll find it are, generally, those already looking for it. It's not getting a new audience that way. The same goes with broadcasts on TV. Neither of those films, to my knowledge, gets shown on ABC Family or any of the Disney channels, unlike many other of the films from the mid-90s and early 2000s.

This is almost exactly what I would have said.

The re-release gets a marketing push. Plus, just being on the big screen will bring more people to the experience. People bring their friends to the movies and experience it together, usually in its full glory, with little interruption. The effect is much stronger than an individual watching something on Netflix, probably on personal screen while texting and household things interrupt. So, even a friend "watching" it with them may not be as pulled into the experience.

And, of course, a big-screen release usually has video and character follow-up in residual merchandise sales (and desire for visiting the parks to see them). A win-win for Disney, as it keeps the money coming while keeping its classic characters alive in the mind of the public.

 

[prberk]

I think it's safe to say that the DHS redo will also draw more to the MK. The Castle Park paradox.

A rising tide lifts all ships. (A substantial investment in DHS or any WDW park or resort will bring more visitors overall to WDW and at least some to all of the parks, as people visit more than the park with the investment.)

But I do think that investment in the other parks helps disburse the crowd from MK at least a little. The other thing that would help is to go back to advertising the other parks in the commercials or printed materials. Blame the "Disney Parks" campaigns that want to make everything about a fairytale castle, instead of, say, an animal adventure or world of discovery, or even golf and swimming (you know, things people associate with a full resort?).

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

First, re-releases went at least into the 90s, because I remember Oliver & Company got one about the mid-90s. Second, with a re-release comes a marketing push. Yes, Hunchback & TP are on DVD and Netflix, but the only people who'll find it are, generally, those already looking for it. It's not getting a new audience that way. The same goes with broadcasts on TV. Neither of those films, to my knowledge, gets shown on ABC Family or any of the Disney channels, unlike many other of the films from the mid-90s and early 2000s.

I agreed that I would prefer seeing them re-released, and for the reasons you said - marketing push, access to new audiences. I just know that Disney doesn't see that as worthwhile at the moment, for better or for worse. They'd rather put something in the "vault" and then bring it back out again with a DVD push.

 

[Kman101]

So ... how 'bout that Bob Iger ...