Bocabear
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It was quite frankly workable...it was never updated and refreshed... EPCOT Center could be entirely relevant today, it was just allowed to flounder.
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Bob Chapek Confirms Disney Will Overhaul Epcot
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jt04
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Easy to say. But the problems are significant. I think Eisner recognized this 20 years ago. To his credit.
Destroying the park. Welcome to MK2.0. It could have been so much more without being like 1982 again. The disastrous decisions currently being made will be the Bobs legacy in P&R circles.
Such a shame.
HMF
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Makes me glad my dream of working for WDI never came true.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Even at peak EPCOT Center there was a very large percentage of guests with whom the concept did not resonate.
Disney probably made a mistake trying to build a Science and Technology museum something or other.
I agree it has a very passionate and dedicated fan base but they need something that appeals to most guests. IMO.
Assumption or fact?
Regardless, I don’t really care. Orlando’s second gate is becoming something I have little interest in anymore.
jt04
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Eisner had the guest satisfaction surveys.
I have the attendance figures.
Of course.
jt04
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Do they prove the Festivals have kept Epcot afloat?
Missing20K
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Pointing at a pavilion and saying, "We need movie IP there, and there, and there, and..." is not "fixing" Future World.
Thanks to Chapek and his continued employment at TWDC, I fear all hope is gone of Future World coming anywhere close to its former glory.
Rodan75
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I think there is a point to that. But I also think that Chapek is making a conscious decision to move away from what the 80's parks fans liked/wanted and working toward making sure there are things in the parks that will trigger nostalgia in 15 years for all of the 8 year olds going to the parks now with their parents. I think it is fair that we don't like that...we are...the olds. As long as they keep a fair balance of continuous nostalgia for all ages they are doing their job for P&R.
He pretty much said as much in the NYT profile.
I still disagree that Epcot was a raging success in the late 80's early 90's. Again, I remember a lot of discounting for Epcot at that time that didn't exist for MK. Part of that may just be that the park was a capacity monster, so they could afford to discount, but I remember being very singular in my love for the park while all of my family, friends and peers pretty much thought it was BORING. Epcot is a problem for them we can all disagree on the correct solution, but I don't think there is a 'right answer' that would please most people and maximize investment.
Model3 McQueen
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- In the Parks
- No
I was hating on $hapek before it was cool. He's all about advertisement and IP placement, nothing more. Thematic integrity is a thing of the past.
Though I will judge EPCOT and its direction when I visit in Jan, It'll be interesting because I didn't grow up with WDW / EPCOT, so I wont have any biases when I attend. I think $hapek's practices are atrocious on the West, I'll have to see for myself what he's done to the East.
Though I will judge EPCOT and its direction when I visit in Jan, It'll be interesting because I didn't grow up with WDW / EPCOT, so I wont have any biases when I attend. I think $hapek's practices are atrocious on the West, I'll have to see for myself what he's done to the East.
Rodan75
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I don't know how true that is. He is a direct report to Iger. So Chapek makes most of these decisions and gets approval for investment from both Iger and the board.
It is fair to complain about Chapek if you don't like the direction of the parks. I also think he has done a great job of justifying this round of investment, hopefully he delivers. TSL wasn't a great start to his tenure.
tparris
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No, I’m definitely not ok with it in the slightest. However, I would much rather have something like Ellen or Lion King instead of GotG or Frozen or something else totally unrelated to Epcot.
Model3 McQueen
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- In the Parks
- No
Don't forget Pixar Pier, Mission Breakout, Marvel Land, Hyperspace Mountain, Pixar Fest.. All rushed garbage at the DL resort, IMO.
mikejs78
Premium Member
Are they destroying it beyond recovery?