Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[Prince-1]

How does a song which is meant to be a tribute to both the actor and the character the actor is associated with "milking" his death?

This is no different than any other artist that has created a tribute song to someone that has died.

Trolls be trolls.

 

[Californian Elitist]

@Californian Elitist paging you, as I need someone else to share in my excitement.

I’ve been waiting for YEARS for this lady to release something. She gave us a little humming, which is typical Rihanna fashion lol, but I’m here for it! I’ll be listening on Friday.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I’ve been waiting for YEARS for this lady to release something. She gave us a little humming, which is typical Rihanna fashion lol, but I’m here for it! I’ll be listening on Friday.

This movie is an EVENT. They even got Rihanna back out.

I am so excited.

 

[Phroobar]

How does a song which is meant to be a tribute to both the actor and the character the actor is associated with "milking" his death?

This is no different than any other artist that has created a tribute song to someone that has died.

Timing. Because it is linked to the movie and came out right before it.

 

[Disney Irish]

Timing. Because it is linked to the movie and came out right before it.

Sorry but still not "milking". A tribute it just that, no matter what form it comes in and the timing in which its released.

 

[Prince-1]

Timing. Because it is linked to the movie and came out right before it.

Releasing a song by one of the biggest pop stars for one of the most anticipated movies of the year isn't milking anything. Do you have any how silly you sound?? I am guessing not.

 

[Phroobar]

Sorry but still not "milking". A tribute it just that, no matter what form it comes in and the timing in which its released.

This is a pointless "no it isn't / yes it is" argument. I just think after two years the timing is suspect.

 

[Prince-1]

This is a pointless "no it isn't / yes it is" argument. I just think after two years the timing is suspect.

Maybe they should have released the song for BP2 two years ago??

 

[Disney Irish]

This is a pointless "no it isn't / yes it is" argument. I just think after two years the timing is suspect.

I mean did you think that Elton John's Candle in the Wind was "milking" it when he rewrote it in 1997 as a tribute to Princess Diana after her death? Or how about Puffy and Faith Evan's I'll be Missing You as a tribute to Biggie after his death? Or the countless other songs that are tributes to others that died?

It seems that anything surrounding Boseman's death that also is in reference to Black Panther is "milking" it in your mind. I mean you obviously can have that opinion. But I don't see how its "milking" it when he was so synonymous to the character in the MCU, the two are always going to be intertwined. So of course anything regarding T'Challa in the MCU is going to use Boseman's image. Any tribute song is going to be in tribute to both the actor and the character. Any interview about the movie is going to mention Boseman. And of course part of the plot of the movie is going to deal with his death.

That is not milking it, that is paying respect and honoring the actor tied to a popular character of a very popular film franchise.

 

[Phroobar]

I mean did you think that Elton John's Candle in the Wind was "milking" it when he rewrote it in 1997 as a tribute to Princess Diana after her death? Or how about Puffy and Faith Evan's I'll be Missing You as a tribute to Biggie after his death? Or the countless other songs that are tributes to others that died?

It seems that anything surrounding Boseman's death that also is in reference to Black Panther is "milking" it in your mind. I mean you obviously can have that opinion. But I don't see how its "milking" it when he was so synonymous to the character in the MCU, the two are always going to be intertwined. So of course anything regarding T'Challa in the MCU is going to use Boseman's image. Any tribute song is going to be in tribute to both the actor and the character. Any interview about the movie is going to mention Boseman. And of course part of the plot of the movie is going to deal with his death.

That is not milking it, that is paying respect and honoring the actor tied to a popular character of a very popular film franchise.

Princess Diana's death was in 1997. That is when "Candle in the Wind" was rewritten and performed. It was topical and timely. It didn't tie into a new movie for a tragedy two years later. This case is nothing but marketing.

 

[Disney Irish]

Princess Diana's death was in 1997. That is when "Candle in the Wind" was rewritten and performed. It was topical and timely. It didn't tie into a new movie for a tragedy two years later. This case is nothing but marketing.

And the point completely flew over your head.

So I’m really curious now, what would you prefer them do in this case so as not to be “milking” in your mind?

 

[LSLS]

And the point completely flew over your head.

So I’m really curious now, what would you prefer them do in this case so as not to be “milking” in your mind?

I don't share the "milking it" thing for the marketing, but, I do think he has a point here. The preference would be to release the song when Boseman died, not wait two years to make it the theme song for the movie soundtrack. I'm sure it's a fine tribute if you like that music, and I'm not sure it's intentions were completely to market the death, but I do think it's tough to ignore that as at least part of it. I think her writing a song for the movie is one thing, making it a tribute to the actor (not character) who died years ago (and marketing it as such) is a bit of bad taste. I don't think it's something that is going to get people running to the movie, but I do kind of side a bit more on the side of not liking this than the other (here).

 

[DKampy]

I don't share the "milking it" thing for the marketing, but, I do think he has a point here. The preference would be to release the song when Boseman died, not wait two years to make it the theme song for the movie soundtrack. I'm sure it's a fine tribute if you like that music, and I'm not sure it's intentions were completely to market the death, but I do think it's tough to ignore that as at least part of it. I think her writing a song for the movie is one thing, making it a tribute to the actor (not character) who died years ago (and marketing it as such) is a bit of bad taste. I don't think it's something that is going to get people running to the movie, but I do kind of side a bit more on the side of not liking this than the other (here).

No one has heard the Rihanna song yet so we don’t know what is it attribute too… but the character death is also addressed in the movie… so I think any song tribute works here

 

[LSLS]

No one has heard the Rihanna song yet so we don’t know what is it attribute too… but the character death is also addressed in the movie… so I think any song tribute works here

I mean, this is the quote from like 10 posts up:

"The song, a tribute to the life and legacy of Chadwick Boseman, was written by Tems, Ludwig Göransson, Rihanna and director Ryan Coogler. It will be released on Friday, Oct. 28 in advance of the movie, which premieres in theaters on Nov. 11. Rihanna briefly teased the song’s melodic hum on social media, but little else is known about the style and sound of “Lift Me Up.”

Look, I've got no dog here. I can't stand Rhianna, I don't like that style, and the original Black Panther movie is near the bottom of my Marvel Movie list. I'm not some person who had huge hopes and expectations for this and is either trying to always see the good, or hating everything cause it's not the route I wanted to go. I agree with the idea that the marketing hasn't been close to using his death to drum up movie goers. It does need to be addressed, and it is a part of the plot, and honestly I didn't feel the trailers really talked about it much at all. But this song seems a bit different from me if they collaborated to write a song for Boseman for the soundtrack.

 

[DKampy]

I mean, this is the quote from like 10 posts up:



Look, I've got no dog here. I can't stand Rhianna, I don't like that style, and the original Black Panther movie is near the bottom of my Marvel Movie list. I'm not some person who had huge hopes and expectations for this and is either trying to always see the good, or hating everything cause it's not the route I wanted to go. I agree with the idea that the marketing hasn't been close to using his death to drum up movie goers. It does need to be addressed, and it is a part of the plot, and honestly I didn't feel the trailers really talked about it much at all. But this song seems a bit different from me if they collaborated to write a song for Boseman for the soundtrack.

That said I still think a tribute to Chadwick works here… as it seems the movies driving force will be the death of T’challa… so it also serves as a tribute to the character as well

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't share the "milking it" thing for the marketing, but, I do think he has a point here. The preference would be to release the song when Boseman died, not wait two years to make it the theme song for the movie soundtrack. I'm sure it's a fine tribute if you like that music, and I'm not sure it's intentions were completely to market the death, but I do think it's tough to ignore that as at least part of it. I think her writing a song for the movie is one thing, making it a tribute to the actor (not character) who died years ago (and marketing it as such) is a bit of bad taste. I don't think it's something that is going to get people running to the movie, but I do kind of side a bit more on the side of not liking this than the other (here).

Since the movie deals with the death of T'Challa the song will be representative of the loss of both the actor and the character to which he portrayed.

As noted by Tems the co-writer of the song:

“After speaking with Ryan and hearing his direction for the film and the song, I wanted to write something that portrays a warm embrace from all the people who I’ve lost in my life. I tried to imagine what it would feel like if I could sing to them now and express how much I miss them,” Tems said in a statement. “Rihanna has been an inspiration to me, so hearing her convey this song is a great honor.”

So the idea of the song is about loss, and conveying the emotion felt by that loss. Now obviously I don't know the lyrics, but my guess is there won't be any direct naming of Boseman in the song, but rather a reference to "king". This works with both the actor and the character.

So yes the song is a tribute to Boseman, but its also a tribute to the character he played and the loss that is felt by the passing of both.

 

[DKampy]

Since the movie deals with the death of T'Challa the song will be representative of the loss of both the actor and the character to which he portrayed.

As noted by Tems the co-writer of the song:

“After speaking with Ryan and hearing his direction for the film and the song, I wanted to write something that portrays a warm embrace from all the people who I’ve lost in my life. I tried to imagine what it would feel like if I could sing to them now and express how much I miss them,” Tems said in a statement. “Rihanna has been an inspiration to me, so hearing her convey this song is a great honor.”

So the idea of the song is about loss, and conveying the emotion felt by that loss. Now obviously I don't know the lyrics, but my guess is there won't be any direct naming of Boseman in the song, but rather a reference to "king". This works with both the actor and the character.

So yes the song is a tribute to Boseman, but its also a tribute to the character he played and the loss that is felt by the passing of both.

Agreed that is my feeling as well

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[DCBaker]

Here's the video for Lift Me Up by Rihanna -

 

[Californian Elitist]