Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

[Lucky Rabbit]

@Lucky Rabbit are you suggesting there could be an heir to T'Challa? Or that there will be a variant?

Personally, I feel that a variant takes away some of the humanism and heart that is the Black Panther culture. Even though we have superpowers, magical herbs and vibranium, there is still a "wordly" human story. A multiverse entry could take much of that away.

How the MCU will adapt Secret Wars remains to be seen, they’ve yet to do a literal adaption of any comic storyline. But Secret Wars could be the end of the multiverse or the restoration of a new sacred timeline. If they go that route it be the perfect time to recast whoever they’re going to recast.

In essence any future T’Challa would obviously need to be some sort of variant to become to the new main T’Challa.

 

[Lucky Rabbit]

In the comics, yes.

I googled it in case anyone was curious on the years. Namor, along with a few others like the Human Torch (not the F4 version), made their debut in Marvel Comics #1 in 1939.

Aquaman first appeared in More Fun Comics #72 in 1941. They have similar origin stories and backgrounds. Back then it was common for everyone to create knockoff versions of popular characters.

 

[Jedijax719]

Also, tickets reportedly go on sale October 3 (next Monday) which is right on cue with what I was predicting. I will try to find a link that isn't reddit lol.

So the marketing machine is cranking up with the Empire magazine spread this week. Probably a full poster within the week also. Here we go!

 

[Phicinfan]

I don't see where that matters. Black Panther has been around for almost 60 years and is a beloved character in his own right. It's not fair to cut short the story of his existence.

They didn't stop making Crow movies when Brandon Lee tragically died on the set. Or Harry Potter movies when Richard Harris died (his replacement went onto star in 6 movies).

Well considering in at least one version of Black Panther he does actually die and is replaced as Panther by his sister in one and someone else in another version, you could say they are being true to the comics. But you won't admit it, so why bother talking it

 

[LSLS]

I don't see where that matters. Black Panther has been around for almost 60 years and is a beloved character in his own right. It's not fair to cut short the story of his existence.

They didn't stop making Crow movies when Brandon Lee tragically died on the set. Or Harry Potter movies when Richard Harris died (his replacement went onto star in 6 movies).

LOL. You do know the Crow movies, the same person was not the main character, right? Like, Brandon Lee was Eric Draven in the first, and in the second the main character was Ashe Corven, and so on. The crow resurrected a different person in each one. So, having a new Black Panther would fall RIGHT in line with the Crow franchise. And as was already pointed out, with the comics as well.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

None of these are the same. It doesn't take a stretch of imagination to see how entirely different these situations are.

One can, if they want, make real-life connections to the loss of beloved leaders such as MLK, Lincoln, JFK, FDR, the Queen, and others around the world who left a mark and whose loss left a gaping hole. One can look at the idea of making the movie so soon as being callous, but replacing with another actor would and could be seen as being even more callous. The question of "what happens next?" and "can someone else remotely fill that person's shoes?" is emotional, compelling, and real-world.

It's the same scenario and even more tragic in Brandon Lee's case. Because he died during the shooting of the movie.

Chadwick Boseman himself said that he wants Black Panther to be recast. They haven't even told that much of the character's story. What they've done is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

LOL. You do know the Crow movies, the same person was not the main character, right? Like, Brandon Lee was Eric Draven in the first, and in the second the main character was Ashe Corven, and so on. The crow resurrected a different person in each one. So, having a new Black Panther would fall RIGHT in line with the Crow franchise. And as was already pointed out, with the comics as well.

What about Dumbledore? I noticed you didn't mention that because it doesn't go with your narrative.

 

[LSLS]

What about Dumbledore? I noticed you didn't mention that because it doesn't go with your narrative.

You gave two examples for yours, one of which was wrong (and Dumbledore was not the main character nor nearly as well known or associated with that role like Boseman. To be honest, I didn't know that was the name of the guy who played him til you just put them together for me). I bet if I really wanted to look, I could find examples you left out to fit your narrative.

I mean, it's funny cause I really could care less either way they do it (recast or move on), but it made me laugh that you chose the Crow as an example, and are ignoring that the mantle does change in the comics. I get you think T'Challa should have more of a role in the MCU, but I'm ok with Marvel doing what they think is best, they've earned my trust.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

You gave two examples for yours, one of which was wrong (and Dumbledore was not the main character nor nearly as well known or associated with that role like Boseman. To be honest, I didn't know that was the name of the guy who played him til you just put them together for me). I bet if I really wanted to look, I could find examples you left out to fit your narrative.

I mean, it's funny cause I really could care less either way they do it (recast or move on), but it made me laugh that you chose the Crow as an example, and are ignoring that the mantle does change in the comics. I get you think T'Challa should have more of a role in the MCU, but I'm ok with Marvel doing what they think is best, they've earned my trust.

You don't know who Richard Harris is???

Dumbledore is one of the most important characters in the film series. They are still sticking him in movies and putting his name in the title for them.

As for the Crow, I used that to emphasize they didn't stop after his death. Not that he was the same character. Plus the torch was passed to someone worthy in those movies , not an anorexic woman whose a computer expert.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You don't know who Richard Harris is???

 

[MickeyMouse10]

I think you go with Michael B. Jordan as an alternate T'Challa. He's used to replacing Boseman, he replaced Chadwick Boseman before on "All My Children" as Reggie Porter.

Other notable replacements of the same character...

Albus Dumbledore ("The Harry Potter series")
The Hulk ("The Avengers")
War Machine ("Iron Man 2")
The Queen ("The Crown")
Batman (in many films)
Red Skull ('Avengers Endgame")
House of the Dragon (female leads)
Doctor Who
James Bond

etc, etc, etc.

 

[Jedijax719]

Black Panther 2: Tickets Release Date Reportedly Revealed

A report from Reddit has seemingly revealed exactly when tickets will be for sale for Wakanda Forever.

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[Lucky Rabbit]

P.S. The guy isn't even in that good of shape either, He's got a dad bod. It's pretty bad when old guys are posting photos of themselves. To make fun of a supposed super hero.

Look I’m sure you’re well intentioned, but a lot of your takes come from a certain type of YouTube video where the goal of the upset commentator is to make others upset. I think you’re stuck in an algorithm. Because calling this a dad bod is just ridiculous.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Look I’m sure you’re well intentioned, but a lot of your takes come from a certain type of YouTube video where the goal of the upset commentator is to make others upset. I think you’re stuck in an algorithm. Because calling this a dad bod is just ridiculous.

Not to mention that Namor was originally drawn to be more wiry and elvin rather than the modern day conceit all male heroes are bodybuilders.

And even tho, he was 'roided up in more recent comic book series, some still draw him with a swimmer's body...

But if some people's kink is a 'roided up old man as their paragon of masculine heroics... more power to them.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Look I’m sure you’re well intentioned, but a lot of your takes come from a certain type of YouTube video where the goal of the upset commentator is to make others upset. I think you’re stuck in an algorithm. Because calling this a dad bod is just ridiculous.

Nope, I'm just not a Disney Apologist (not saying you are), that thinks the grass is green all the time. The character is supposed to look Asian. That's a fact. And the character is supposed to be fit. He's got no muscular definition in his back area. Sub Mariner would be jacked if he had to swim all day to get around.

Just like Tarzan would have to be jacked if he swung around all day and had to fight wild animals.

 

[oogie boogie man]

Nope, I'm just not a Disney Apologist (not saying you are), that thinks the grass is green all the time. The character is supposed to look Asian. That's a fact. And the character is supposed to be fit. He's got no muscular definition in his back area. Sub Mariner would be jacked if he had to swim all day to get around.

Just like Tarzan would have to be jacked if he swung around all day and had to fight wild animals.

I get what you're saying, but that's something we have to get used to. Disney wants to differentiate from earlier versions now. There's nothing we can do about, just get on the train baby.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Nope, I'm just not a Disney Apologist (not saying you are), that thinks the grass is green all the time. The character is supposed to look Asian. That's a fact.

No, it’s not.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

No, it’s not.

Namor's Ethnicity Explained: MCU vs. Comics

Namor the Submariner, Marvel's very first superhero (or antihero to be more precise) is finally getting some screen time in the new Black Panther: Wakanda

fictionhorizon.com

"What is Namor's ethnicity? In the comics, Namor is stated to be a son of a human sailor and Atlantean princess which would make him a part of the Mermanus race. He was usually depicted as being of Asian ethnicity due to his physical features."

"Namor was depicted as having Asian features in the comics. He looks different than the rest of the Atlanteans due to being part human. Instead of having blue skin like most other Atlanteans, he has pale skin combined with slightly slanted eyes and dark hair. He also has pointy ears and wings on his ankles. So in technical terms, we can’t say that he is Asian. He is obviously a part of an altogether different race of aquatic superhumans. But to say that he doesn’t look Asian in the comics would be wrong."

 

[Snow Queen 83]

Namor's Ethnicity Explained: MCU vs. Comics

Namor the Submariner, Marvel's very first superhero (or antihero to be more precise) is finally getting some screen time in the new Black Panther: Wakanda

fictionhorizon.com

"What is Namor's ethnicity? In the comics, Namor is stated to be a son of a human sailor and Atlantean princess which would make him a part of the Mermanus race. He was usually depicted as being of Asian ethnicity due to his physical features."

"Namor was depicted as having Asian features in the comics. He looks different than the rest of the Atlanteans due to being part human. Instead of having blue skin like most other Atlanteans, he has pale skin combined with slightly slanted eyes and dark hair. He also has pointy ears and wings on his ankles. So in technical terms, we can’t say that he is Asian. He is obviously a part of an altogether different race of aquatic superhumans. But to say that he doesn’t look Asian in the comics would be wrong."

Ooooooo, it would have been nice to get one of those hunks. The guy they got is attractive, but it seems like they make him look less attractive in the movie.

 

[Lucky Rabbit]

Nope, I'm just not a Disney Apologist (not saying you are), that thinks the grass is green all the time. The character is supposed to look Asian. That's a fact. And the character is supposed to be fit. He's got no muscular definition in his back area. Sub Mariner would be jacked if he had to swim all day to get around.

Just like Tarzan would have to be jacked if he swung around all day and had to fight wild animals.

If he was suppose to look Asian, they'd have probably cast an Asian actor. There is literally no reason to be this hung up on it, unless you're always searching for an angle to be angry about.

Suppose to be fit? THIS IS FIT! You realize how much you have to work out to get this type of body? I'm sorry you're upset about his back, but understand a YouTube video told you to feel that way. No one sees this and goes "Dad Bod":

Namor's Ethnicity Explained: MCU vs. Comics

Namor the Submariner, Marvel's very first superhero (or antihero to be more precise) is finally getting some screen time in the new Black Panther: Wakanda

fictionhorizon.com

"What is Namor's ethnicity? In the comics, Namor is stated to be a son of a human sailor and Atlantean princess which would make him a part of the Mermanus race. He was usually depicted as being of Asian ethnicity due to his physical features."

"Namor was depicted as having Asian features in the comics. He looks different than the rest of the Atlanteans due to being part human. Instead of having blue skin like most other Atlanteans, he has pale skin combined with slightly slanted eyes and dark hair. He also has pointy ears and wings on his ankles. So in technical terms, we can’t say that he is Asian. He is obviously a part of an altogether different race of aquatic superhumans. But to say that he doesn’t look Asian in the comics would be wrong."

If we're going to be hung up on the comics then understand Namor's human dad is a white guy from Boston: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Leonard_McKenzie_(Earth-616)

So you're arguing to go against comic canon because white guy + blue woman = was drawn with Asian features in some interpretations.