Black Panther M&G coming in 2018

[Curious Constance]

I think this approach works for parks like DHS or USH but even then I feel like a lot of IP can feel dated relatively quickly.

I think the castle parks need to be more of balance of original and IP and I think they are. Take DL for example - almost the entire west side of DL is IP free with the exception of Indy which to me has always felt organic in Adventureland and Pooh. I don’t count POTC. I still view POTC as the original attraction with a few Johnny Depps and annoying soundtrack added. (We ve seen what a real POTC ride based on the movie looks like and it’s in Shanghai). I also don’t count Splash Mountain as being an IP ride in the traditional sense as most of the general public under 60 doesn’t know those characters.

With all of that said, A 14 acre Star Wars Land tips the scale at DL. An original TL redo could help tip it back the other way or at least make it even.

The problem with DCA is that Disney now views it as the movie studios sister park (they have to put all this newly acquired IP somewhere) so we have things like Pixar Pier and GOTG:MB in Hollywoodland.

I agree with Splash Mountain. Perfect IP utilization. Unknown characters, unknown story, now it feels very much like park specific IP, and not like a billboard for the latest movie craze, so will never feel dated.

But I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of something like Splash Mountain being greenlit or Tomorrowland getting a non IP based redo in the future. That's just not going to happen, maybe ever again. My point isn't so much of the balance now in Disneyland, but where it's going to end up. Every single thing that's added is IP. That can't go on much longer before it's just taken over everything.

 

[mickEblu]

Why does every thread have to end up being IP vs Non-IP.

Haha I dunno. I just chime in where I see fit. I don’t have anything against IP. I just like for its placement to make some sort of sense and for the attraction to be a quality experience that stands on its own and doesn’t feel like Im watching the movie again. At DL, we have both really good examples of IP (Indy) and bad examples (Nemo).

With GOTG:MB, there is just so much wrong with it.

1. The Placement
2. The ugly exterior
3. It’s reliance on screens (downgraded from nice physical sets, special / practical effects and 3D environments.
4. The constant reminder of what it replaced which was a much better experience A-Z.

 

[mickEblu]

I agree with Splash Mountain. Perfect IP utilization. Unknown characters, unknown story, now it feels very much like park specific IP, and not like a billboard for the latest movie craze, so will never feel dated.

But I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of something like Splash Mountain being greenlit or Tomorrowland getting a non IP based redo in the future. That's just not going to happen, maybe ever again. My point isn't so much of the balance now in Disneyland, but where it's going to end up. Every single thing that's added is IP. That can't go on much longer before it's just taken over everything.

Right that’s why we end up with IP in areas that don’t fit. My hope is they don’t turn to DL when they re done with the IP dumping at DCA.

 

[Curious Constance]

Why build a tropical paradise with new generic characters when you have Moana or Lilo? Why build a generic space fight simulator when you have Star Wars? Why build a coaster with a generic storyline when you have dozens of action films to promote? Why pay CBS a licensing fee for Twilight Zone when GotG or Doctor Strange could serve as a huge or subtle retheme? It's not a stupid business decision just as long as IP isn't a substitute for making the ride good (looking at you, Nemo and Ariel).

It's not a stupid business decision in the short term. But in 15 years when you have a park full of attractions based on things no one cares about anymore, it's ends up being a lazy, short sided long term decision.

 

[mickEblu]

It's not a stupid business decision in the short term. But in 15 years when you have a park full of attractions based on things no one cares about anymore, it's ends up being a lazy, short sided long term decision.

Or better yet a bunch of screen based attractions that can be easily updated as they anticipate us getting bored. Instead of creating timeless experiences that will last the test of time.

 

[Disney Irish]

Haha I dunno. I just chime in where I see fit. I don’t have anything against IP. I just like for its placement to make some sort of sense and for the attraction to be a quality experience that stands on its own and doesn’t feel like Im watching the movie again. At DL, we have both really good examples of IP (Indy) and bad examples (Nemo).

With GOTG:MB, there is just so much wrong with it.

1. The Placement
2. The ugly exterior
3. It’s reliance on screens (downgraded from nice physical sets, special / practical effects and 3D environments.
4. The constant reminder of what it replaced which was a much better experience A-Z.

My point was, not EVERY thread has to be turned into this constant IP vs non-IP battle. Its tired because its the same thing over and over and over and over and over.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Or better yet a bunch of screen based attractions that can be easily updated as they anticipate us getting bored. Instead of creating timeless experiences that will last the test of time.

I don't think the screens in the new SWL rides would be amenable to updating to a new IP.

 

[mickEblu]

My point was, not EVERY thread has to be turned into this constant IP vs non-IP battle. Its tired because its the same thing over and over and over and over and over.

I didn’t bring it up.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You'll have to take your case to the Bobs, but, that is indeed their plan with very few exceptions.

When DL opened, Disney had about 17 movies under their belt (some were anthologies of shorts, but, Mr. Toad had his ride!). Now, they have 64. And that's just Disney Animation. There's also Disney Studios and TV (Mary Poppins, Davy Crockett, Disney Jr.). And now, Muppets, and Pixar, and Marvel, and LucasFilm. Disney is drowning in IPs they created or now own.

Why build a tropical paradise with new generic characters when you have Moana or Lilo? Why build a generic space fight simulator when you have Star Wars? Why build a coaster with a generic storyline when you have dozens of action films to promote? Why pay CBS a licensing fee for Twilight Zone when GotG or Doctor Strange could serve as a huge or subtle retheme? It's not a stupid business decision just as long as IP isn't a substitute for making the ride good (looking at you, Nemo and Ariel).

For the same reasons all of your movies should not just be sequels. Disney was not unaware of the ability to repeat themselves, they chose not to do so because they didn't see themed entertainment as a medium inherently inferior to movies.

 

[Disney Irish]

I didn’t bring it up.

And you aren't the only person I quoted, but you do contribute which continues the same tired back and forth.

 

[mickEblu]

And you aren't the only person I quoted, but you do contribute which continues the same tired back and forth.

We all continue in the same tired discussions back and forth. That’s what we do here. Might as well quote everyone, including yourself.

 

[Disney Irish]

We all continue in the same tired discussions back and forth. That’s what we do here. Might as well quote everyone, including yourself.

I'll admit I throw my opinion in on that topic from time-to-time. Its just that I'd like one thread not turn into this IP vs non-IP back and forth.

 

[Suspirian]

Well a good portion of the movie was actually shot in Africa with its beautiful landscapes. Also add that the language used in the movie is an actual language used in Africa and all the other references to African culture and its people. yes there is one character that dresses as a Panther but as someone that has traveled around the world including Africa I can tell you that i saw tribes in parts of Africa where customs have men dressing up in costumes representing many of the wild animals they worship or use as part of their cultural practice.
So its more than just a mythical character and fictional place.
It is no different than the mythical character and place used for mount Everest

It's a superhero in a costume.

 

[mickEblu]

I'll admit I throw my opinion in on that topic from time-to-time. Its just that I'd like one thread not turn into this IP vs non-IP back and forth.

Well we could always change the name of the thread to “Black Panther M&G Coming in 2018 and inevitable IP v Non Ip discussion”

 

[MisterPenguin]

Well we could always change the name of the thread to “Black Panther M&G Coming in 2018 and inevitable discussions of IP v Non Ip; Marvel IPs at WDW; and just how satanic is Iger as evidenced by stock buybacks and the failing ESPN. Sad.”

FTFY

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Now, they have 64. And that's just Disney Animation. There's also Disney Studios and TV (Mary Poppins, Davy Crockett, Disney Jr.). And now, Muppets, and Pixar, and Marvel, and LucasFilm. Disney is drowning in IPs they created or now own.

And don't forget the pending acquisition of 21st Century Fox assets.

 

[TP2000]

Black Panther continues to do record-breaking business at the box office this weekend. $225+ Million in just America this weekend, with huge numbers also pouring in from overseas. Disney clearly has a megahit on its hands.

This article has the latest box office updates, plus an interesting rundown on all the previous studios that passed on a Black Panther movie back to the 1990's, before Disney bought the rights with Marvel. http://deadline.com/2018/02/black-panther-thursday-night-preview-box-office-1202291093/

And Black Panther continues to be entirely absent from anywhere on Walt DIsney World property, although he is found at Disneyland this weekend and onboard Disney Cruise Line ships at sea. So obviously the lawyers know he will never appear in the Orlando parks. So fascinating.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

Black Panther continues to do record-breaking business at the box office this weekend. $225+ Million in just America this weekend, with huge numbers also pouring in from overseas. Disney clearly has a megahit on its hands.

This article has the latest box office updates, plus an interesting rundown on all the previous studios that passed on a Black Panther movie back to the 1990's, before Disney bought the rights with Marvel. http://deadline.com/2018/02/black-panther-thursday-night-preview-box-office-1202291093/

And Black Panther continues to be entirely absent from anywhere on Walt DIsney World property, although he is found at Disneyland this weekend and onboard Disney Cruise Line ships at sea. So obviously the lawyers know he will never appear in the Orlando parks. So fascinating.

Never say never. This is a long game of chess between D and U. I wouldn't try and predict what will happen. Just because they don't pick a fight now doesn't mean they won't later.

 

[TP2000]

Never say never. This is a long game of chess between D and U. I wouldn't try and predict what will happen. Just because they don't pick a fight now doesn't mean they won't later.

Sure. But I'm just talking about Black Panther in 2018. Disney World can't touch it, can't mention it, can't use it. While Disneyland gets to ride the Black Panther craze of '18 for as long as it can, possibly overshadowing Pixar Fest that launches in two months. (Not hard to do with Pixar Fest, but you get my point)

But Disney World can't even mention Black Panther in a sentence? That will be a real bummer for 2018.

Not being able to acknowledge Black Panther in 2018 would be like if Disney World couldn't mention the word Frozen or any of its characters in 2013, while Disneyland could set up meet n' greets and stage shows and dress boutiques and themed snowball fights as much as they wanted.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

Sure. But I'm just talking about Black Panther in 2018. Disney World can't touch it, can't mention it, can't use it. While Disneyland gets to ride the Black Panther craze of '18 for as long as it can, possibly overshadowing Pixar Fest that launches in two months. (Not hard to do with Pixar Fest, but you get my point)

But Disney World can't even mention Black Panther in a sentence? That will be a real bummer for 2018.

Not being able to acknowledge Black Panther in 2018 would be like if Disney World couldn't mention the word Frozen or any of its characters in 2013, while Disneyland could set up meet n' greets and stage shows and dress boutiques and themed snowball fights as much as they wanted.

Point taken, and that's a great comparison.

 

[TP2000]

More news on the smashed records with Black Panther... http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/18/media/black-panther-box-office/ and http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4371

A few highlights:

• A+ CinemaScore rating, 97% on Rotten Tomatoes
• Rabid Social Media response from key demographics
• Largest Presidents Day Weekend film opening of all time
• Fifth largest film opening of all time
• $170 Million overseas this weekend, but Black Panther doesn't open in China, Japan and Russia until next weekend