FrankLapidus
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And it no doubt will again when the new Avengers and Ant-Man films are released.
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And it no doubt will again when the new Avengers and Ant-Man films are released.
Bender123
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Sorta? The cast and Disney are really riding the politics in their marketing, so its not really out of line to have the discussion. I just find it odd that companies have people so figured out that they are using politics as an advertising tool.
Just a search on Google will show this...
Dutch Inn '76
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Otterhead
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Yes, that's correct. You said that Happy Feet was the same sort of propaganda that Hitler used. There's really no other way to interpret that.
Otterhead
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I would suggest that you're seeing it from a defiantly caucasian perspective, considering that you insist it would be the exact same film if the black people were replaced by martians.
Princess Leia
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Dutch Inn '76
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Sheesh. Judging by your reply to my post and Bender's, I can see that you have no interest in an intellectual debate. Instead, you like stupid mudslinging and name calling.
I'm looking forward to seeing the movie. Like all Marvel films, I'm sure it will be entertaining.
I'm out.
Bender123
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Its fictional. I don't need a racial point of view to objectively say that. Its not a story like "Hidden Figures", "Straight out of Compton" or even Roots (fictional, but grounded in reality).
There are magical space rocks serving as a McGuffin, there is a 100% fictional land with future tech, there is a magical space rock infused herb that grants super powers located in a universe that includes a guy who can shrink to subatomic levels, a guy who is a literal Norse god and a purple space monster chasing magical space rocks that have the power to create and destroy universes.
The adult in me realized that this is a fantasy and the same story has been told many times over going back to Hamlet. Its a good movie, based on a 500 year old trope, told in a new and refreshing way. As I said, you can literally throw anybody into it and it wont change the overall themes of the movie.
We do this all the time...Bugs Life is almost a shot for shot remake of Three Amigos. Lion King was just hamlet with animals. Avatar is just Pocahontas, which was Dances With wolves before that. The only thing different is the packaging and the marketing.
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Yert3
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What director Rich Moore had to say in an interview before the movie was even released
Are They Worried About Possible Controversy Over the Zootopia Message?
At my roundtable interview with the filmmakers, another journalist asked if the directors were worried about the possibility that conservative press might attack the film like they did Pixar’s WALL-E. Not only does this film has a big sociopolitical message but the first character refusing to serve someone is an elephant. Moore responded:
I say bring it on. I feel like we told a story from the heart that comes from a genuine place and I know it doesn’t come from a political standpoint or an axe to grind or agenda to push. If someone is prone to say it’s intended any other way then thats their opinion and you can’t control what other people think. But I think we know where the movie comes from, and it comes from a place of authentic storytelling. If people want to watch a movie about a fox and a rabbit becoming friends and finding similarities rather than differences are a good thing and turn that into an evil agenda pushing practice, I don’t know what to say: go head.
Source:http://www.slashfilm.com/zootopia-message/2/
Otterhead
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Actually it's an adaptation of The Magnificent Seven (which was an adaptation of Seven Samurai, etc etc) so I see what you mean. I also think that a lot of Black people consider this movie deeply empowering and inspiring because of its afro-centric themes.
njDizFan
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I'm confused, are you saying that if the world and setting are fictional then the story cannot have a underlying theme that is both current and political?
Fantasy and Sci-fi literature often delve into social and political commentary. One of the benefits of writing or storytelling in the genre is the ability to use fantastical realities to showcase the theme allowing the view/reader separation from the "now" to gain insight without preconceived bias.
eliza61nyc
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Amen!! lol and to think all my parents had to worry about was whether or not the Road runner and Wiley E coyote was too violent
eliza61nyc
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We're saying that some times a fantasy movie is just that Fantasy without any dark, deep, destroy the little one's psyche.
eliza61nyc
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Naw we just really thought it was fun and the ladies think that Chadwick Boseman and Michael P. Jordan were really hot. lol
In all seriousness, none of my friends, family or any other black folk are having these "deep" philosophical discussions on the hidden meaning of the movie.
Pretty much every conversation I've had has gone like this,
Did you see Black Panther? Yea, what did you think? It was cool/good/ok.
Did you stay to the end? No/Yes. he's going to be in the next Avengers movie.
no conversation about black "empowerment", no one went out to buy kinte cloth, nothing.
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bhg469
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Or it is super fortunate that Disney didnt get a chance to ruin their own theme parks sooner.
Otterhead
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Different families and friends take different things away from films, clearly.
If people didn't stay 'til the end, they definitely missed an important message. And an important cameo.
njDizFan
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Of course, sometimes a fantasy film is just fantasy. But I think you are selling the genre and specifically this film short, at least for it's cultural resonance. Or I could send you a few dozen links attributing to the films social reach as a defining moment for many demographics.
TP2000
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I'm baffled by all the political talk here. Sometimes a giant movie blockbuster is just a giant movie blockbuster.
And again, it's obvious the lawyers have absolutely nixed any appearance of Black Panther on Walt Disney World property in 2018.
But at Disneyland, it's a hugely popular new offering and during a visit yesterday I noted that the stores at the Disneyland Resort are chock full of Black Panther merchandise that is flying off the shelves. It appears as though they can't even stock or sell Black Panther merchandise at the WDW park stores. Has anyone seen any Black Panther merch outside of the parks at Disney Springs or World of Disney?
The only problem at Disneyland is that Black Panther appears in a rather forlorn corner of DCA that isn't really themed to anything but faux movie soundstages.
This guy and his lady bodyguards deserve a fully themed land and Wakanda environment to inhabit, instead of just a modern fake movie studio theme park like DCA's Hollywood Backlot area.
And again, it's obvious the lawyers have absolutely nixed any appearance of Black Panther on Walt Disney World property in 2018.
But at Disneyland, it's a hugely popular new offering and during a visit yesterday I noted that the stores at the Disneyland Resort are chock full of Black Panther merchandise that is flying off the shelves. It appears as though they can't even stock or sell Black Panther merchandise at the WDW park stores. Has anyone seen any Black Panther merch outside of the parks at Disney Springs or World of Disney?
The only problem at Disneyland is that Black Panther appears in a rather forlorn corner of DCA that isn't really themed to anything but faux movie soundstages.
This guy and his lady bodyguards deserve a fully themed land and Wakanda environment to inhabit, instead of just a modern fake movie studio theme park like DCA's Hollywood Backlot area.
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They recently spent a small fortune repainting the buildings with "3D paint".
They have the bills to prove it too. The upkeep of the land both seen and unseen makes your point pretty invalid. All they have to do is maintain what they’ve had since 99. Hulk and Spider-Man went above and beyond the contract stipulations.