Cmdr_Crimson
Well-Known Member
So, is this a place for fictional horned horses to party?
So, is this a place for fictional horned horses to party?
I wish I could hate Disney World as much as many forum members do around here...It'd save me some money and I wouldn't be lurking here all day either.
Typically on a site amenity project like this, outside of the actual new structure, the earthwork to regrade the area & utility construction costs are going to eat a lot of budget. Even more so than custom cast stone wall finish, a new statue or the visible light fixtures. Though those cost a pretty penny too.Lol that's poor phrasing on my part - I meant those are likely the most expensive elements of the central plaza area. In my head I was ignoring CommuniCore and focusing just on the new walkways.
Think of this space mobbed with queues of folks for both food booths.He wants us to see how WDW didn't put kiosks in a thruway creating a pinch point, but instead, created it's own space for them. Not only that, he wants to commend WDW for all that seating. He's looking forward the seasonal occupants of those kiosks.
Right, that's been my attitude towards the whole thing. It's not the most groundbreaking thing in the world but it doesn't really need to be? There are far worse things in current EPCOT to be upset aboutI think I miss the pin-trading purple canopies (is that what they were?) but like, other than that from what I can see? It's fine. It's okay.
I think it's perfectly adequate and there are bigger sores in EPCOT as of now. I think it serves an alright job even if I think the Walt statue is a smidge tacky. I think the extra greenery makes the park feel more 'alive' at least.Right, that's been my attitude towards the whole thing. It's not the most groundbreaking thing in the world but it doesn't really need to be? There are far worse things in current EPCOT to be upset about
Right, that's been my attitude towards the whole thing. It's not the most groundbreaking thing in the world but it doesn't really need to be? There are far worse things in current EPCOT to be upset about
Honestly, I think the energy and the hype disappeared pretty quickly from this project. They released the revised plans with very little fanfare once the two storey building was axed, and Zac was put out to pasture which also put an end to all the social media posts. My personal view is that they have missed another opportunity to truly re-think Epcot, but at this point they seem to be (slowly) limping to the finish line with little enthusiasm.I understand your sentiment. And I think you may have nailed it right here. The big issue is the amount of time, energy and hype that has gone into the park. To create something that seems fine or nice enough.
Honestly, I think the energy and the hype disappeared pretty quickly from this project. They released the revised plans with very little fanfare once the two storey building was axed, and Zac was put out to pasture which also put an end to all the social media posts. My personal view is that they have missed another opportunity to truly re-think Epcot, but at this point they seem to be (slowly) limping to the finish line with little enthusiasm.
Entirely agree.Yeah, Journey of Water is nice enough, and Guardians is obviously a hit attraction. The hub and new QS etc. are nicer than what existed prior to the start of construction
Overall, though, it feels like they spent years and some unknown amount of money (I'd imagine close to a billion, if not over, considering how much they apparently spent on Cosmic Rewind alone) to end up with a relatively minimal update instead of the major overhaul that was originally intended.
Entirely agree.
It's very hard to see the marketing logic of this approach unless it was almost a case of cutting their losses once the pandemic struck and they found themselves with the centre of the park already demolished. Initially, it seemed like they were aiming at a big re-launch of the park when all of this was finished. However, they then started opening everything in such a slow, piecemeal fashion that any sense of a 'new Epcot' faded away as bit by bit things opened with large sections of the park still behind walls right up until today. You would think that opening Guardians, Journey of Water, and the hub together would have made a far bigger splash.
In my opinion, this looks awful, Especially the second aerial photo. With the exception of Spaceship Earth, it looks like a vast suburban office park/corporate center or an outlet mall. Just my opinion though.We're not talking about that. The millennium hub was messy and missing trees.
THIS is what we're talking about:
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Clean, orderly pathways with plenty of green space, trees, and a kinetic water feature that functionally make sense with the surrounding architecture.
I don't understand why this design was "bad."
In my opinion, this looks awful, Especially the second aerial photo. With the exception of Spaceship Earth, it looks like a vast suburban office park/corporate center or an outlet mall. Just my opinion though.
Agreed. Although I will reserve my final judgement until I see it complete (something rare on these forums), from what I have seen I tend to like this office park over the original. The fountain was very good and all but I could take it or leave it.That's exactly how people could describe (and actually have described) the new version too, though.
I personally think the original version was better (if only because of the fountain), but it's not like the new version is doing something fundamentally different. It's arguably just the same concept just via current design trends.
I also think I preferred the original version due to the fountain and the water. I'm glad we're at least comparing like with like finally and I will say that showing the original version at least provides some reasonable context for the current version.That's exactly how people could describe (and actually have described) the new version too, though.
I personally think the original version was better (if only because of the fountain), but it's not like the new version is doing something fundamentally different. It's arguably the same concept just via current design trends.
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