danlb_2000
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WOL is long dead, we really should discuss this in terms of what could go on the plot of land or in the building where WOL once was.
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WOL is long dead, we really should discuss this in terms of what could go on the plot of land or in the building where WOL once was.
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
Give it a few overlays and FW can be renamed IP World. EPCOT will have two distinct areas, World Showcase and IP World. It will have the feel of IoA.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It was very outdated. In both presentation and in specific content.. its themes or stories were not tho.
Just look back at the preshow video from USO for T2, BTTF, etc since you like Uni. Look at how poorly those 90s videos aged in presentation, style, graphics, sound, etc. The first gen EPCOT attractions suffered the same, and were almost 10 years older. Everything from hair styles, dress, video quality, etc. The 90s purple reboot aged just as fast. The 80s and the next 25 years were insane in how quickly things progressed and changed. The existing attractions could have been revamped and kept current with production quality, styles, trends, current thinking.. but they weren't and instead people wanted new attractions for their reinvestment (TT, JIYI, MS, etc) and not just a refresher. Communicore was its own trainwreck of lack of repeat value and aging.
Just look at UOE today.. with its horrible out of date Ellen and Bill Nye references. That choice of contemporaries in the attraction really hindered it as well in it's refresh. Look at how much T2 showed its age before they redid the preshow.
By the 90s EPCOT already felt stiff. It was only the addition of new attractions that kept it some what charged. It NEEDED refreshing.. badly. Sadly the one that probably needed it the least.. Imagination.. was the one butchered almost the worst
WoM was a sleeper - don't let people try to convince you otherwise. It's cool in Disney terms because of the general scale of the attraction and number of AA scenes.. but it wasn't a WoW ride. UoE had far more impressive effects, presentation, etc.. but was a bit dry for some. SSE and Horizons were the real winners in striking the balance of cool, scale, and optimism. Imagination was just pure Disney.. Land presented neat ideas and Seas was impressive as an aquarium for its time.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
That should be IP Showcase and IP World.
There won't be any news for a few years yet. If at all.
Stripes
Premium Member
For WoL right? When do you anticipate a UoE announcement? D23?
No, that will be Disney's IP Showcase and Disney's IP World.
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
Eventually yes, but at the rate of project completion it will take decades. Then officially EPCOT will be transformed into IPCOT, leaving the park with the same square footage and capacity. Not exactly a growth strategy. This overlay strategy is the same strategy employed by restaurateurs. Start with one cuisine and decor. When the restaurant stops being the it thing, change decor, name, and different food service feed stock. The restaurant becomes the it thing again for 5-8 years.
Thanks phoenicians
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I'd rather them utilize the space with something other than GOTG so I'm fine with just a UOE announcement at D23.
Edit: maybe a stupid question but any chance they see the reaction to the DCA announcement and decide against more GOTG in Epcot?
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OvertheHorizon
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I completely agree with you on these points.By the 90s EPCOT already felt stiff. It was only the addition of new attractions that kept it some what charged. It NEEDED refreshing.. badly. Sadly the one that probably needed it the least.. Imagination.. was the one butchered almost the worst
WoM was a sleeper - don't let people try to convince you otherwise. It's cool in Disney terms because of the general scale of the attraction and number of AA scenes.. but it wasn't a WoW ride. UoE had far more impressive effects, presentation, etc.. but was a bit dry for some. SSE and Horizons were the real winners in striking the balance of cool, scale, and optimism. Imagination was just pure Disney.. Land presented neat ideas and Seas was impressive as an aquarium for its time.
When Epcot Center first opened there was the "Astuter Computer Review" (in Communicore East). It was obsolete almost from the day it opened, and I recall that being the most disappointing aspect of Epcot during my first visit in March of 1983. Advances in technology will date a movie/exhibit as fast as anything (like Ellen's mobile phone). I always enjoyed the movie in the Norway pavilion (unlike so many that passed it by), but seeing the images of a computer with a huge CRT and only green print on the screen always made me cringe.
I sure wish they had left the original Imagination alone, perhaps that is an instance where the pressure of corporate sponsorship for "fresh and new" did no service to the story.
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Nubs70
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Is there not some value to out of date attractions? I think they serve to show how far society has come and how far off from projections.
OvertheHorizon
Well-Known Member
Yours is an interesting question, and I'd be anxious to hear what others think. Horizons is an example of a pavilion that tried to show how our society looked at the future in by gone days (remember the vision of the future from the 50s), but then went on to depict space colonization, futuristic desert farms, and undersea cities. Similarly, Spaceship Earth shows the progress we've made as a society, and now provides an animated ending to help us envision our future. Except for pavilions that "intend" to depict out of date things, I don't think that Future World attractions should be designed to be out of date.
That's what static displays in museums are for. You place too much importance on this
Possibly.
I guess it can seem like it sometimes. I assure you it's not intentional! Sometimes I'm walking a fine line. I have to be careful.You're so cruel to these people
I'd never say never. But I dare say they feel Epcot is a better fit. And it also solves all the problems they have with the current pavilion.
You do well, I admire your fortitude against the constant press, and I certainly appreciate the the circumstances and constraints.
/much respect
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
I'm not saying build with intent to outdated but to build and nurture an attraction from relevance to dated like a fine wine or scotch instead of striving for the current jagermeister/red bull level of relevance.
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FigmentJedi
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They just announced Figment 3 at the Disney Kingdoms panel at Comic-Con. At this point, that should be causing the hamsterwheels to turn inside management's heads, but naw, gotta let the Pavilion stagnate some more, not expand Figment and Dreamfinder into a full franchise.