News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[wdwmagic]

There’s no easy fix anytime soon. The various issues are also not something you can easily fix in one evening. It would be incredibly bad optics to have cut concrete and construction walls back up in your “brand new” centerpiece.

That’s why I think they’ll just shut it off and move on.

I don't think it's a cut concrete fix. I would be amazed if there was no consideration given to maintenance of the lighting system. If it is a controller, and not the LED itself, that is very likely in another location that is accessible. Either way, it will get fixed, most likely overnight, and without any disruption.

 

[ToTBellHop]

There’s no easy fix anytime soon. The various issues are also not something you can easily fix in one evening. It would be incredibly bad optics to have cut concrete and construction walls back up in your “brand new” centerpiece.

That’s why I think they’ll just shut it off and move on.

It will not be shut off. It's bad show but you're being a bit over-dramatic here. Let's not pretend Disneyland was perfect on opening day...

Pretty much every new ride breaks down a ton when it opens, too, and we are accustomed to that because it occurs industry-wide.

A 3rd party vendor completed installation and the vendor presumably understands how to make this type of lighting work. But, it was a custom job that will require a custom fix.

 

[Disstevefan1]

There’s no easy fix anytime soon. The various issues are also not something you can easily fix in one evening. It would be incredibly bad optics to have cut concrete and construction walls back up in your “brand new” centerpiece.

That’s why I think they’ll just shut it off and move on.

It'd too bad. For me, it was the only thing I liked about this new area.

Well, we do have the Walt statue, that's good.

 

[GhostHost1000]

They had a deadline of Walt’s Birthday. 12/5. They rushed it. Aside from the building not being done, you can tell there are missing components and other things not working, not tested, or broken that needed more time.

If they missed 12/5 it would have been a black eye for them. I guess they figured “They’re tourists, what do they know.” So they opened it anyway. Made it look pretty for opening day and hoped no one would notice or care after.

Truly despicable.

Such a colossal waste of hundreds of millions.

poor management - exhibit A

 

[Earlie the Pearlie]

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Nyberg seyz:

Thanks for that expert opinion.

 

[Disstevefan1]

They had a deadline of Walt’s Birthday. 12/5. They rushed it. Aside from the building not being done, you can tell there are missing components and other things not working, not tested, or broken that needed more time.

If they missed 12/5 it would have been a black eye for them. I guess they figured “They’re tourists, what do they know.” So they opened it anyway. Made it look pretty for opening day and hoped no one would notice or care after.

Truly despicable.

Such a colossal waste of hundreds of millions.

Agreed. And lets not forget, TWDC losses at least 100M every time they release a new film.

 

[monothingie]

I don't think it's a cut concrete fix. I would be amazed if there was no consideration given to maintenance of the lighting system. If it is a controller, and not the LED itself, that is very likely in another location that is accessible. Either way, it will get fixed, most likely overnight, and without any disruption.

I’m going to push back on that. Having lots of experience with these sort of things. These type fixtures are set and forget, encased in plastic and sealant to prevent water infiltration.

The problem is water always finds its way in no matter how well you think you seal it. That’s the problem with any sub surface lighting. If you look closely at the fixtures you can tell there is clear evidence of water getting in. If it were an LV controller issue it wouldn’t be getting progressively worse as the days go on. The only way you can fix it is to replace it.

 

[trainplane3]

Nyberg seyz:
View attachment 758603 Thanks for that expert opinion.

as usual.

 

[monothingie]

It will not be shut off. It's bad show but you're being a bit over-dramatic here. Let's not pretend Disneyland was perfect on opening day...

Pretty much every new ride breaks down a ton when it opens, too, and we are accustomed to that because it occurs industry-wide.

A 3rd party vendor completed installation and the vendor presumably understands how to make this type of lighting work. But, it was a custom job that will require a custom fix.

This is not ROTR, it’s led lighting. Forget the custom strip lighting in the center, you have commercial off the shelf fixtures that are already broken.

I would assume that this will be a warranty issue with the contractor if it can be proven the contractor did something wrong. Also this area only has 8 hours downtime for work a night. Very tight windows.

 

[monothingie]

It will not be shut off. It's bad show but you're being a bit over-dramatic here. Let's not pretend Disneyland was perfect on opening day...

Pretty much every new ride breaks down a ton when it opens, too, and we are accustomed to that because it occurs industry-wide.

A 3rd party vendor completed installation and the vendor presumably understands how to make this type of lighting work. But, it was a custom job that will require a custom fix.

This is not ROTR, it’s led lighting. Forget the custom strip lighting in the center, you have commercial off the shelf fixtures that are already broken.

I would assume that this will be a warranty issue with the contractor if it can be proven the contractor did something wrong. Also this area only has 8 hours downtime for work a night. Very tight windows.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don't think it's a cut concrete fix. I would be amazed if there was no consideration given to maintenance of the lighting system. If it is a controller, and not the LED itself, that is very likely in another location that is accessible. Either way, it will get fixed, most likely overnight, and without any disruption.

I gotta get some of that pixie dust you are sniffing

Seriously, lets hope the maintenance considerations we not cut to save costs. I can imagine the original designs had fully module, maintainable systems and were cut saying, "There is a very low chance of these components having problems so lets simplify the design".

 

[Disstevefan1]

I’m going to push back on that. Having lots of experience with these sort of things. These type fixtures are set and forget, encased in plastic and sealant to prevent water infiltration.

The problem is water always finds its way in no matter how well you think you seal it. That’s the problem with any sub surface lighting. If you look closely at the fixtures you can tell there is clear evidence of water getting in. If it were an LV controller issue it wouldn’t be getting progressively worse as the days go on. The only way you can fix it is to replace it.

We can only hope whatever is involved in replacing these does not involve a concrete saw. I worry the walls will be coming back to fix this.

 

[monothingie]

Install contractors don’t pick the fixtures, they just install them per plan and manufacturer or engineer instructions. If the customer makes poor choices in fixture selection, that’s not a warranty issue. Whatever resolution (if any) that comes out of this is going to not be quick one. I’d expect the problems to get worse in the mean time.

 

[_caleb]

To basically have the literal symbol of your park not working on day 2 is inexcusable. Whether it is due to lack of foresight by Imagineering, or budgetary limits forced people to use cheaper material, or both. I personally think the idea of a light up symbol in the concrete that changes color in sync to the light show on SSE is a great idea. But if you don’t make it sustainable, what is the point.

The central plaza garden is the “literal symbol” of Epcot?

 

[_caleb]

Install contractors don’t pick the fixtures, they just install them per plan and manufacturer or engineer instructions. If the customer makes poor choices in fixture selection, that’s not a warranty issue. Whatever resolution (if any) that comes out of this is going to not be quick one. I’d expect the problems to get worse in the mean time.

And if they were installed correctly by the contractor according to manufacturer specifications, it’s a manufacturer warranty issue.

 

[monothingie]

And if they were installed correctly by the contractor according to manufacturer specifications, it’s a manufacturer warranty issue.

Possibly depending on the date of purchase, But regardless the manufacturer isn’t going to pay for the labor to replace it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Definitely no products that can pop into place.

https://www.lumenpulse.com/files/view-file/supportfiles/6946f0de5493a776a7ef4168d20b8490/601/locale_file/lumenfacade-inground-brochure-na-en-2017-rev-3-lr.pdf

 

[Disstevefan1]

Install contractors don’t pick the fixtures, they just install them per plan and manufacturer or engineer instructions. If the customer makes poor choices in fixture selection, that’s not a warranty issue. Whatever resolution (if any) that comes out of this is going to not be quick one. I’d expect the problems to get worse in the mean time.

TWDC=Poor choices

 

[Bocabear]

Remember when the old dated technology fiber optic pavement lights started failing in the first week? Yeah..I am sure they will get this fixed pretty quick though... and in most things there are always little glitches in the beginning.

 

[monothingie]

Definitely no products that can pop into place.

https://www.lumenpulse.com/files/view-file/supportfiles/6946f0de5493a776a7ef4168d20b8490/601/locale_file/lumenfacade-inground-brochure-na-en-2017-rev-3-lr.pdf

A reasonable idea assuming this is compatible with the LV controllers they use, there is immediate availability of replacement product, not a months long back order, and finally there are no installation issues like damaged or improperly installed conduit.