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[Gringrinngghost]

Bob is that you?

The problem is not the fans. I can assure you of that. The fans know what Disney can be and has been. What we are seeing now is not their best work, effort, decision making, etc. and therein lies the issues and why so many fans are vocal more now than before.

Well you got my middle name…

Then actually do something and not complain. With the amount of you that I’m certain own stock, all you guys do is all lip service and not an iota of action. Until I see any showing of action and not just bellyaching, then maybe I’ll warm myself up to y’all. So until then, you guys will have to deal with what they do.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Well you got my middle name…

Then actually do something and not complain. With the amount of you that I’m certain own stock, all you guys do is all lip service and not an iota of action. Until I see any showing of action and not just bellyaching, then maybe I’ll warm myself up to y’all. So until then, you guys will have to deal with what they do.

As a multi-contract DVC member and an AP you have no idea how many thousands I have given Disney for many many years. …but people like me can’t expect good things from Disney unless we take “action” and work for them or buy stock and until then we just have to deal with what they do. Really?

We have seen and should expect more from Disney, this isn’t six flags, and this isn’t just about lights. There are way more problems.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

As a multi-contract DVC member and an AP you have no idea how many thousands I have given Disney for many many years. …but people like me can’t expect good things from Disney unless we work for them or buy stock?

Simply, yes. The thousands and thousands of dollars you may give them does nothing to sway their opinion.

At the end of the day you are nothing more than a number in a ledger for them. And considering that you are a multi-contract DVC member and an AP means very little. You are a guaranteed positive revenue stream for them. Finance and the board don't have to do anything to appease you because they already have your money. You are to put it nicely, merely an atom of water in a Olympic-sized swimming pool. You don’t make money for stockholders, which the executives have a fiduciary responsibility to do, they make money from you.

Simply put, a stockholder quorum to have changes, and a larger group in masse talking with their wallets and not voices work. But remember, there will be a line of those who will want to replace you just as easily.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Simply, yes. The thousands and thousands of dollars you may give them does nothing to sway their opinion.

At the end of the day you are nothing more than a number in a ledger for them. And considering that you are a multi-contract DVC member and an AP means very little. You are a guaranteed positive revenue stream for them. Finance and the board don't have to do anything to appease you because they already have your money. You are to put it nicely, merely an atom of water in an Olympic-sized swimming pool. You don’t make money for stockholders, which the executives have a fiduciary responsibility to do, they make money from you.

This isn’t about me. This is about Disney. The legacy. The tradition. The past, present, and future. We all should expect more from Disney if not for us current fans, for future generations to come.

 

[HauntedPirate]

this isn’t six flags

Noted #1 Disney expert Sean Nyberg disagrees.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

This isn’t about me. This is about Disney. The legacy. The tradition. The past, present, and future. We all should expect more from Disney if not for us current fans, for future generations to come.

And until they see their bottom line hurting in the parks division, or a demand of reform from the stock holder side they won’t do anything to appease the peanut gallery.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Noted #1 Disney expert Sean Nyberg disagrees.

You would think Nyberg would use his power to push for reform on the stock holder side, but it’s easier to nitpick everything to get his attention. Like a Tommy Boy.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Simply, yes. The thousands and thousands of dollars you may give them does nothing to sway their opinion.

At the end of the day you are nothing more than a number in a ledger for them. And considering that you are a multi-contract DVC member and an AP means very little. You are a guaranteed positive revenue stream for them. Finance and the board don't have to do anything to appease you because they already have your money. You are to put it nicely, merely an atom of water in a Olympic-sized swimming pool. You don’t make money for stockholders, which the executives have a fiduciary responsibility to do, they make money from you.

Simply put, a stockholder quorum to have changes, and a larger group in masse talking with their wallets and not voices work. But remember, there will be a line of those who will want to replace you just as easily.

I know a lot of people have thrown that out in the past. These days, I think that line has shrunk. A lot. TDO knows they have a problem right now and have been throwing out discounts to try and navigate the rough waters.

One person is nothing, you're absolutely correct. It takes a lot more to change the course of this ship. In the age of social media and instant word-of-mouth, it doesn't take much to turn sentiment negative. They've already seen some of that at the box office. Brand erosion, once it starts, can take a company by surprise. Let's hope Bob hasn't done irreparable damage. I truly believe that with the right stewards, the parks could be a place that again wows everyone and not just the lowest common denominator.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I tend to partly agree. You do have management who don't care and you have those who really care, but at the end of the day you ultimately have those who can't make any drastic moves because they don't want to give the shareholders a bad report, such as the situation of William Davis and the Finance Department at Universal Orlando before the changing of the guard.

However, the problem these days isn't that of the management, whom most are doing the best with what they have. The main source of my frustration it's that of the hapless mob, and the echo chamber of the parks community and it's unbridled fear of change. Look at when D23 comes around and they announce new projects, and people way "What about Florida?" Well have anyone backed away and took a moment to see how the community reacts to ANY change. I present a few examples:

• Harmonious: Hated and complained about sight lines, with commentary of "They replaced illuminations for this"
• Luminous: Hated and complained about sight lines, with commentary of "They replaced illuminations for this"
• Tron: Lack luster for how long it took to be built.
• The Center of Epcot Day 1: Lack luster for how long it took to be built.
• The Center of Epcot Day 4-Present: OH MY GOD ITS NEVER GETTING FIXED! IT WILL BE BROKEN FOR ALL OF IT DAYS!? (Ergo, this very thread.)
• Tiana's Bayou Adventure: I don't think I need to elaborate.

Down to even more of the mundane crap, such as firework shell colors, or if a feature is broken for a few days. There is now winning, and people need to realize that Disney such as everything in live will NEVER be prefect. Yet, many can't seem to get over that fact, and for some it's because the parks are their form of therapy, when they need to see a proper professional but alas won't because Disney is how they self-medicate.

Honestly, to you all, as well as Thomas "Tommy Boy" Coreless and the other idiots that want to micromanage every little detail at Disney because they've ever seen paint that hasn't been sun faded. If you care about the parks this much that you will point out any little issue, why not work for the company? If you care so much to the parks operations, apply and get a job with Disney to push for these changes, or is it because you don't want to be bothered because it's easier to just complain behind a screen? Ad we all know why Tommy boy won't, he make's more money complaining about the littlest thing.

So,, I ask you all this: Do you want to be part of the solution, or do you want to just do nothing about it and hope that one day the issue will be fixed?

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And know, this as been an issue for quite a time and not many are willing to call out anyone because they are scared to be ostracized. There is a problem when Politics and the political community is less of a headache than that of people complaining about the most minute thing at a theme park.

I'm stealing this GIF. I've looked for it for a while and never could find it.

 

[GhostHost1000]

And until they see their bottom line hurting in the parks division, or a demand of reform from the stock holder side they won’t do anything to appease the peanut gallery.

Well I hope they are getting ready because the next few years could be interesting in the Orlando parks as they become more stale while their neighbor opens a new theme park in the time it takes Disney to build water fountains.

 

[HauntedPirate]

You would think Nyberg would use his power to push for reform on the stock holder side, but it’s easier to nitpick everything to get his attention. Like a Tommy Boy.

He sees no problems, apparently?

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Well I hope they are getting ready because the next few years could be interesting in the Orlando parks as they become more stale while their neighbor opens a new theme park in the time it takes Disney to build water fountains.

They’re concerned with Epic, but not to the degree you would think. Again, people come to Disney for Disney, which is why they are pushing all of the IP into Epcot. People don’t care to learn about anything, hell Moana alone was a surprise on how they showed the water cycle, a very rudimentary version of it, but still a kind of learning approach. Plus, people seem to merely go to Disney World for the nostalgia, the peanut gallery has shown me with the pushback for any change. Hell I’ve had people get mad at me when I’ve called out certain sentiments to merely a change in area music thinking they I’ve singled them out.

 

[GhostHost1000]

They’re concerned with Epic, but not to the degree you would think. Again, people come to Disney for Disney, which is why they are pushing all of the IP into Epcot. People don’t care to learn about anything, hell Moana alone was a surprise on how they showed the water cycle, a very rudimentary version of it, but still a kind of learning approach. Plus, people seem to merely go to Disney World for the nostalgia, the peanut gallery has shown me with the pushback for any change. Hell I’ve had people get mad at me when I’ve called out certain sentiments to merely a change in area music thinking they I’ve singled them out.

I actually believe they aren’t that worried about Epic just like they weren’t worried about Harry Potter world. That’s part of my concern.

Yes many of us go for the nostalgia, but as standards, cleanliness, maintenance, deliverables, etc become noticeably less than in the past, we fans then notice and become more vocal about what made the parks so nostalgic to begin with.

We don’t expect perfection, things happen, breakdown, etc but we expect extremely high quality because this is Disney, their quality has been that high in the past and we want it to continue now and in the future

 

[Gringrinngghost]

I know a lot of people have thrown that out in the past. These days, I think that line has shrunk. A lot. TDO knows they have a problem right now and have been throwing out discounts to try and navigate the rough waters.

One person is nothing, you're absolutely correct. It takes a lot more to change the course of this ship. In the age of social media and instant word-of-mouth, it doesn't take much to turn sentiment negative. They've already seen some of that at the box office. Brand erosion, once it starts, can take a company by surprise. Let's hope Bob hasn't done irreparable damage. I truly believe that with the right stewards, the parks could be a place that again wows everyone and not just the lowest common denominator.

You can’t equate the box office this year to social media and word of mouth. This year as seen over a 40% decrease in ticket sales in the box office, as more people would rather wait for it to be at home. So that’s a cultural paradigm shift, from the pandemic, and the fact of the cost of going to the movies. Hell a AMC Dine-in screening cost me sans discounts nearly $40 in 2017, and with prices now, it’s certainly higher.

Now their bigger issue is the appearance of brand erosion but hating on a company is a cool thing now, look at the Apple hate. The issue there also is more-so political. We are definitely backsliding to the perceived “golden-age” of the United States, ergo post World War 2. That’s mainly driven by a fear of change and the fact we are more polarized now than we were in the civil war. It also doesn’t help that at least from my observation I found the hard core Disney fan to be overtly religious and conservative. Their hearing the negative sentiments from their churches and political leaders because it’s easier to attack a company then it is to face reality. If these people cared about the inherent sexualization of children, there would be more of a push to get pedophiles out of the Catholic Church. But a lot of the younger generation watching over everything their offspring does now, at least millennials is from the vantage of the fact they had no supervision as children and dealt with things like AOL and Yahoo Instant messenger and their chat rooms.

 

[GhostHost1000]

You can’t equate the box office this year to social media and word of mouth. This year as seen over a 40% decrease in ticket sales in the box office, as more people would rather wait for it to be at home. So that’s a cultural paradigm shift, from the pandemic, and the fact of the cost of going to the movies.

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part of that is because Disney has failed to deliver decent movies people actually want to see in 2023 like they have in the past.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

I actually believe they aren’t that worried about Epic just like they weren’t worried about Harry Potter world. That’s part of my concern.

Yes many of us go for the nostalgia, but as standards, cleanliness, maintenance, deliverables, etc become noticeably less than in the past, we fans then notice and become more vocal about what made the parks so nostalgic to begin with.

We don’t expect perfection, things happen, breakdown, etc but we expect extremely high quality because this is Disney, their quality has been that high in the past and we want it to continue now and in the future

Disney at least in Florida has bigger problems to deal with than a new theme park. And quite frankly, knowing what I do know, Universal is ready to not care about day guests who just want to visit epic for a day.

Yes many of us go for the nostalgia, but as standards, cleanliness, maintenance, deliverables, etc become noticeably less than in the past,

That’s a multifaceted issue. Firstly, not alot of people would want to work for Disney for what they pay. Look at SeaWorld, given their price point and their base pay, they have a high turnover rate, and at one point universal was hiring anyone they could get and that was really bad consequences internally caused a lot of issues.

On the deliverables side, let’s look at it from this perspective, these companies are there to make money, they are not non-profits and at the end of the day, finance is pushed to keep costs down and that dictates how things are run. Look at the food for example, do you go with a lower contract and keep your profit margins, or do you go to the higher contract and lower your margins. The latter, you’ll have to raise prices or limit what you deliver and ultimately guests will complain either way. As prices increase, you have to find that balance but even then, there’s only so much you can do.

On a brief side of maintenance, believe it or not, it’s still hard to get supplies as full manufacturing capabilities haven’t come back online. Some projects I’ve been working on, I’ve been waiting for integrated circuits now for over 3 years, and one in my shopping cart has a 70-week lead time, so it’ll be over a year before I’ll see it.

But at the end of the day, beating it to death isn’t the answer. It takes time to fix things and with share holders demanding money to be cut where ever it can be, that’s part of the issue. Plus there aren’t people that are skilled for what some of these companies are looking for that people are willing to apply for. Hell I was sent a job application for my degree for an “entry level position” that wanted 3 years of experience and two certifications, to point to a map and say that it was raining. At three years, that is not entry level.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

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part of that is because Disney has failed to deliver decent movies people actually want to see in 2023 like they have in the past.

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U.S. & Canada: number of movie tickets sold 2023 | Statista

Throughout 2023, movie theaters in the United States and Canada managed to sell slightly more tickets than in 2022.

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Not to mention, Barbie, Oppenheimer and Super Mario Bros. weren’t sequels…

 

[GhostHost1000]

Ticket sales have entered the chat:

U.S. & Canada: number of movie tickets sold 2023 | Statista

Throughout 2023, movie theaters in the United States and Canada managed to sell slightly more tickets than in 2022.

www.statista.com

Not to mention, Barbie, Oppenheimer and Super Mario Bros. weren’t sequels…

Poor movie releases in 2023 including many from Disney have contributed. I’m not disputing those numbers at all and yes things have changed since Covid, however some movies still knock it out of the park whereas Disney hasn’t like they used to.

No one made Disney release so many sequels if we want to blame their box office performance on that. At the end of the day the movies and parks decision making both have been poor the last several years

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Poor movie releases in 2023 including many from Disney have contributed. I’m not disputing those numbers at all and yes things have changed since Covid, however some movies still knock it out of the park whereas Disney hasn’t like they used to.

No one made Disney release so many sequels if we want to blame their box office performance on that

But I digress…back to Disney park concerns

During the tenure of Iger as Disney’s COO, CEO and on the board he has overseen part or all of the production of:

• 46 Live Remakes (Released and in Development)
• 41 sequels (released in theaters and in development)
• 20 direct to video sequels

 

[GhostHost1000]

During the tenure of Iger as Disney’s COO, CEO and on the board he has overseen part or all of the production of:

• 46 Live Remakes (Released and in Development)
• 41 sequels (released in theaters and in development)
• 20 direct to video sequels

Wow. That’s pretty sad actually. Disney used to be so much more creative. Hopefully things get back to how they once were…in the parks and movies