News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[flyerjab]

The central plaza garden is the “literal symbol” of Epcot?

My understanding was the light pattern in the ground was. Is that incorrect?

 

[wdwmagic]

TWDC=Poor choices

Knowing how WDI operates, I would imagine these are the best lighting fixtures on the market and it will get sorted.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

The central plaza garden is the “literal symbol” of Epcot?

I think they're referring to the fact that the fixture having the majority of the issues is the light up Epcot logo in the concrete. So, yes, technically the symbol of the park.

 

[flyerjab]

It will not be shut off. It's bad show but you're being a bit over-dramatic here. Let's not pretend Disneyland was perfect on opening day...

Pretty much every new ride breaks down a ton when it opens, too, and we are accustomed to that because it occurs industry-wide.

A 3rd party vendor completed installation and the vendor presumably understands how to make this type of lighting work. But, it was a custom job that will require a custom fix.

Agreed. People act like Epcot was absolutely perfect on opening day and it wasn’t. We need to grasp reality a bit. Doesn’t excuse what we are seeing with the lighting issues in World Celebration Gardens but the hyperbole expressed here at times is a bit silly.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Knowing how WDI operates, I would imagine these are the best lighting fixtures on the market and it will get sorted.

We know how WDI works. We hope their designs were not compromised by budget cuts.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Knowing how WDI operates, I would imagine these are the best lighting fixtures on the market and it will get sorted.

Just the threat of being dropped as an approved vendor is often a lot of motivation. They’re also not afraid to refuse payment and litigate their unique contracts.

We know how WDI works. We hope their designs were not compromised by budget cuts.

That’s a succinct contradiction.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Knowing how WDI operates, I would imagine these are the best lighting fixtures on the market and it will get sorted.

Well that's no fun! How will people fill their time if they sort out these light features?

 

[Disstevefan1]

That’s a succinct contradiction.

TWDC=succinct contradictions

 

[flynnibus]

Like, I know it’s a software thing because one of the sections kept flashing pink. The lights themselves are clearly working

With addressable LEDs like these it's possible to have some leads working, while others are intermittent. This can lead to all kinds of interesting off patterns. Wrong colors, lights not working in some patterns, but working in others... some lights "stuck", etc.

Serial LED lighting control designs can be especially vunerable to electronic noise as many are basically bitshifters... so they can get out of sync.

Problems could be hardware still.. I find it hard to believe they just 'missed' segments in their programming unless this was done very rushed at the last minute. And would be very easy to fix if purely software depending on how they regulate new builds.

More than likely it can be wiring or interference related.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Agreed. People act like Epcot was absolutely perfect on opening day and it wasn’t. We need to grasp reality a bit. Doesn’t excuse what we are seeing with the lighting issues in World Celebration Gardens but the hyperbole expressed here at times is a bit silly.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well that's no fun! How will people fill their time if they sort out these light features?

Back to the Tiana thread to complain about yellow paint.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Back to the Tiana thread to complain about yellow paint.

They can simply paint over the yellow paint.

These lighting failures only a few day in cant be fixed that easily.

Like others have said, I suspect these will be just turned off instead of fixed.

 

[ChrisFL]

I can see a few scenarios:

- Takes longer than 8 hours to sort out so they're forced to wait til after the holidays, but may not require demolition/redoing sections with better hardware/waterpoofing
- Takes longer than 8 hours because it will be demolition of some kind and putting walls up right away would be a very bad look
- Cabling or some other nonsense
- Hardware replacements backordered

In any case, this wasn't planned or tested properly and they had TONS of time to do that

 

[monothingie]

Knowing how WDI operates, I would imagine these are the best lighting fixtures on the market and it will get sorted.

Yes WDI. As I ponder your statement eating my lunch from Woodys Lunch Box on a garbage can because excellent WDI design. Don’t worry though, that new seating area may take longer to build than Epic Universe.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I can see a few scenarios:

- Takes longer than 8 hours to sort out so they're forced to wait til after the holidays, but may not require demolition/redoing sections with better hardware/waterpoofing
- Takes longer than 8 hours because it will be demolition of some kind and putting walls up right away would be a very bad look
- Cabling or some other nonsense
- Hardware replacements backordered

In any case, this wasn't planned or tested properly and they had TONS of time to do that

its further proof of incredibly bad management - decisions, planning, testing, etc.

Fan forums should not care so much more than those who actually run the parks. That's the problem today and why I get so frustrated with what disney is becoming

 

[monothingie]

its further proof of incredibly bad management - decisions, planning, testing, etc.

Fan forums should not care so much more than those who actually run the parks. That's the problem today and why I get so frustrated with what disney is becoming

WDI is only a serves as a resume builder, not a destination.

 

[Disstevefan1]

its further proof of incredibly bad management - decisions, planning, testing, etc.

Fan forums should not care so much more than those who actually run the parks. That's the problem today and why I get so frustrated with what disney is becoming

Those who actually run the park are exactly why this happens!

 

[Disstevefan1]

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Fan forums should not care so much more than those who actually run the parks. That's the problem today and why I get so frustrated with what disney is becoming

I tend to partly agree. You do have management who don't care and you have those who really care, but at the end of the day you ultimately have those who can't make any drastic moves because they don't want to give the shareholders a bad report, such as the situation of William Davis and the Finance Department at Universal Orlando before the changing of the guard.

However, the problem these days isn't that of the management, whom most are doing the best with what they have. The main source of my frustration it's that of the hapless mob, and the echo chamber of the parks community and it's unbridled fear of change. Look at when D23 comes around and they announce new projects, and people way "What about Florida?" Well have anyone backed away and took a moment to see how the community reacts to ANY change. I present a few examples:

• Harmonious: Hated and complained about sight lines, with commentary of "They replaced illuminations for this"
• Luminous: Hated and complained about sight lines, with commentary of "They replaced illuminations for this"
• Tron: Lack luster for how long it took to be built.
• The Center of Epcot Day 1: Lack luster for how long it took to be built.
• The Center of Epcot Day 4-Present: OH MY GOD ITS NEVER GETTING FIXED! IT WILL BE BROKEN FOR ALL OF IT DAYS!? (Ergo, this very thread.)
• Tiana's Bayou Adventure: I don't think I need to elaborate.

Down to even more of the mundane crap, such as firework shell colors, or if a feature is broken for a few days. There is now winning, and people need to realize that Disney such as everything in live will NEVER be prefect. Yet, many can't seem to get over that fact, and for some it's because the parks are their form of therapy, when they need to see a proper professional but alas won't because Disney is how they self-medicate.

Honestly, to you all, as well as Thomas "Tommy Boy" Coreless and the other idiots that want to micromanage every little detail at Disney because they've ever seen paint that hasn't been sun faded. If you care about the parks this much that you will point out any little issue, why not work for the company? If you care so much to the parks operations, apply and get a job with Disney to push for these changes, or is it because you don't want to be bothered because it's easier to just complain behind a screen? Ad we all know why Tommy boy won't, he make's more money complaining about the littlest thing.

So,, I ask you all this: Do you want to be part of the solution, or do you want to just do nothing about it and hope that one day the issue will be fixed?

And know, this as been an issue for quite a time and not many are willing to call out anyone because they are scared to be ostracized. There is a problem when Politics and the political community is less of a headache than that of people complaining about the most minute thing at a theme park.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I tend to partly agree. You do have management who don't care and you have those who really care, but at the end of the day you ultimately have those who can't make any drastic moves because they don't want to give the shareholders a bad report, such as the situation of William Davis and the Finance Department at Universal Orlando before the changing of the guard.

However, the problem these days isn't that of the management, whom most are doing the best with what they have. The main source of my frustration it's that of the hapless mob, and the echo chamber of the parks community and it's unbridled fear of change. Look at when D23 comes around and they announce new projects, and people way "What about Florida?" Well have anyone backed away and took a moment to see how the community reacts to ANY change. I present a few examples:

• Harmonious: Hated and complained about sight lines, with commentary of "They replaced illuminations for this"
• Luminous: Hated and complained about sight lines, with commentary of "They replaced illuminations for this"
• Tron: Lack luster for how long it took to be built.
• The Center of Epcot Day 1: Lack luster for how long it took to be built.
• The Center of Epcot Day 4-Present: OH MY GOD ITS NEVER GETTING FIXED! IT WILL BE BROKEN FOR ALL OF IT DAYS!? (Ergo, this very thread.)
• Tiana's Bayou Adventure: I don't think I need to elaborate.

Down to even more of the mundane crap, such as firework shell colors, or if a feature is broken for a few days. There is now winning, and people need to realize that Disney such as everything in live will NEVER be prefect. Yet, many can't seem to get over that fact, and for some it's because the parks are their form of therapy, when they need to see a proper professional but alas won't because Disney is how they self-medicate.

Honestly, to you all, as well as Thomas "Tommy Boy" Coreless and the other idiots that want to micromanage every little detail at Disney because they've ever seen paint that hasn't been sun faded. If you care about the parks this much that you will point out any little issue, why not work for the company? If you care so much to the parks operations, apply and get a job with Disney to push for these changes, or is it because you don't want to be bothered because it's easier to just complain behind a screen? Ad we all know why Tommy boy won't, he make's more money complaining about the littlest thing.

So,, I ask you all this: Do you want to be part of the solution, or do you want to just do nothing about it and hope that one day the issue will be fixed?

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And know, this as been an issue for quite a time and not many are willing to call out anyone because they are scared to be ostracized. There is a problem when Politics and the political community is less of a headache than that of people complaining about the most minute thing at a theme park.

Bob is that you?

The problem is not the fans. I can assure you of that. The fans know what Disney can be and has been. What we are seeing now is not their best work, effort, decision making, etc. and therein lies the issues and why so many fans are vocal more now than before.