News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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doctornick said:
Okay, but the principle there is that it would be a long term revenue generator. Obviously, they could sell rooftop access in the evenings which (to me at least) seemed like the whole point of the building on stilts to begin with. Also, it doesn't have to be "rooftop" per se, but could also work as an extra floor with large windows facing the WS lagoon.

I'm just saying if you are going to build something anyway, I'm surprised they did not include that element of the design as a way to make money. Seems odd for 2022 Disney.
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Yes, long term with high upfront costs. The Table was a vanity project not a calculated ROI decision.
 
MisterPenguin

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egg said:
I mean cmon they pretty much did. I’d guess that if they knew how much they were scaling back plans, they’d have never bulldozed it.
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The charge presented to the jury is this: That at the time WDW began to bulldoze Communicore SW, they were planning to put up a building that re-created the footprint of Communicore SW.
 
mightynine

mightynine

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MisterPenguin said:
The charge presented to the jury is this: That at the time WDW began to bulldoze Communicore SW, they were planning to put up a building that re-created the footprint of Communicore SW.
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Is anyone actually claiming this, or just finding it funny/ironic that they tore down something that would've been perfectly usable for what is eventually going up in that spot?
 
Father Robinson

Father Robinson

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I definitely understand everyone's frustration about the plans. I do have to say, as sad as it is, it really is better than what was originally proposed. I guess if there's anything good that can be said about the effect the pandemic had on WDW, is that it saved the EPCOT spine from a much worse fate.

They were leveling Innoventions West regardless of what would happen in 2020. I don't agree with that decision, but that was happening. The fountain needed too much maintenance and they wanted more room. More room = more people, more people = more $$$. Again, I don't agree, but it was going to happen.

I'm happy a sense of symmetry is somewhat returning, I'm happy to see the name Communicore again in EPCOT, and I'm glad the stupid Jetsons table building is resting comfortably in the same dumpster as the Main Street Theater.

The diehards will be skeptical of change of any kind and rightfully so given team EPCOT's track record over the last few years. I'm sure it'll look fine once complete but I'm sure like most of us here, I will mourn the loss of what was.
 
Nthderivative

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doctornick said:
Okay, but the principle there is that it would be a long term revenue generator. Obviously, they could sell rooftop access in the evenings which (to me at least) seemed like the whole point of the building on stilts to begin with. Also, it doesn't have to be "rooftop" per se, but could also work as an extra floor with large windows facing the WS lagoon.

I'm just saying if you are going to build something anyway, I'm surprised they did not include that element of the design as a way to make money. Seems odd for 2022 Disney.
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I'd argue that a better location for a rooftop viewing area would be the Odyssey Building.
 
Epcot82Guy

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While I know
Nthderivative said:
I'd argue that a better location for a rooftop viewing area would be the Odyssey Building.
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Agreed. While I get the "another bar" issue, I always thought that space could easily be either an International showcase bar (wine and beer) or a Drinks Lab (using international ingredients in weird ways - to bridge FW and WS). Then you could add a rooftop terrace for the shows. While I'm not an architect or engineer, this seems to be much cheaper and easier than the other plans. And a way to better repurpose Odyssey.
 
Seabasealpha1

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I like the esthetic much better than the other pavilion...Just logging in for the first time in months...

What's going on with the PLAY! pavilion? Dead, abbreviated, or unknown?
 
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doctornick

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Nthderivative said:
I'd argue that a better location for a rooftop viewing area would be the Odyssey Building.
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Sure that's a good choice. But I would think that a purpose built location would potentially be cheaper than retrofitting an older building. My point was just that having an elevated lounge to sell fireworks viewing seems like such a expected concept for today's Disney that I'm surprised it didn't find its way into these final plans.
 
britain

britain

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Disstevefan1 said:
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I like that they brought back some of the symmetry in the layout and I like they brought back The communicore name as a tribute. It makes as much sense as “connections” and “creations”
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Can I just say I like how they're emphasizing the NON-symmetrical "hard edges vs. soft edges" motif which was present in the walkways (east straight lines, west curvy lines) but will now be switched in the architecture.

This also reminds me of something... hmm...

@Epcot82Guy does it look like anything to you? ;)
 
mightynine

mightynine

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DCBaker said:
More details from Zach -

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Nothing makes me feel like I am the magic more than when I'm part of an evening activation, I tell ya!

It does make me wonder if the Zach Attack sounds like a corporate powerpoint presentation in real life.

Zach: "Say, does anyone want to join me in an evening activation of an authentic and unifying experience with some dynamic plating presentations?"

Co-worker 1: "What did he say?"
Co-worker 2: "He's asking if you wanted to go to the chinese buffet for dinner."

Yes, I know this stuff isn't straight from him, but seriously, nothing takes the fun out of an announcement more than an explosion of corporate marketing buzzwords.
 
WDWFREAK53

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doctornick said:
So, does anyone know what kind of stuff is going to go in Communicore Hall? Is it going to have actual exhibits full time to see or will it be only used to house festival adjacent activities?

At the very least, once it is built, can we have the Canada CircleVision actually be used as an attraction year round?
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Wouldn't it be always filled if they were only using it for Festivals? (Another issue I have...the Festivals aren't really special anymore because they are basically year-round!)
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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In 2018, there were 243 festival days. Percentage of the year with no festival days: 33% [One third of the year!]
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In 2019, there were 247 festival days. Percentage of the year with no festival days: 32%

In 2020, there were 291 festival days. Percentage of the year with no festival days: 20% [Thanks to "A Touch of F&W starting mid-July]

In 2021, there were 331 festival days. Percentage of the year with no festival days: 9% [Garden went longer, Arts started earlier]

In 2022, there will be 326 festival days. Percentage of the year with no festival days: 11% [Basically one to two weeks of no festival days when one ends and the next begins]
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I love that you broke down these stats.

Looking over to MK, I wonder what % of the year is taken up by after hours holiday parties? I believe the Halloween after hour parties now go from Aug. 12-Oct. 31, with the Very Merriest expected to start a week later and run through to a few days before Christmas.
 

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