News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[lazyboy97o]

By now it would have been so hopelessly dated. Not the apartment interiors but the public realm, the services, the amenities, the built environment. The things that are hard and costly to alter.

The premise and idea was sound. But the execution would have to be carefully timeless in appearance and design.

The urban design of EPCOT was already over half a century old when Walt came across the idea. A lot of it’s basic tenets remain foundational ideas of contemporary urbanism.

 

[marni1971]

The urban design of EPCOT was already over half a century old when Walt came across the idea. A lot of it’s basic tenets remain foundational ideas of contemporary urbanism.

Never said they weren’t or it wasn’t. Like
I said the premise and idea was sound.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Never said they weren’t or it wasn’t. Like
I said the premise and idea was sound.

The public realm and built design are key elements of the urban design. The places with such a human-oriented focus tend to do well against changing aesthetic tastes.

 

[marni1971]

The public realm and built design are key elements of the urban design. The places with such a human-oriented focus tend to do well against changing aesthetic tastes.

Ok.

 

[networkpro]

The public realm and built design are key elements of the urban design. The places with such a human-oriented focus tend to do well against changing aesthetic tastes.

Those enduring public spaces evolve over time and are not just dropped completed into place. The whole industry of urban design is guilty of hubris in thinking they can account for all changes in society and technology. Fußgängerzonen vs enclosed shopping malls which is currently in decline?

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Out of curiosity, Martin, is there anything in this whole project that you’re 100% for, or even just okay with happening?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Those enduring public spaces evolve over time and are not just dropped completed into place. The whole industry of urban design is guilty of hubris in thinking they can account for all changes in society and technology. Fußgängerzonen vs enclosed shopping malls which is currently in decline?

Successful evolution of successful places rarely involves radical change to the urban form. Slower responses to changing needs, not wholesale renewal.

 

[marni1971]

Out of curiosity, Martin, is there anything in this whole project that you’re 100% for, or even just okay with happening?

The entrance will be nice. As is the quality of IDF. And the new CV and Land films are surprisingly mature.

 

[mikejs78]

The entrance will be nice. As is the quality of IDF. And the new CV and Land films are surprisingly mature.

What about Rat? I think I remember you saying you liked the attraction.

Also, if the new festival center is indeed on hold, any chance it gets cancelled and we get something better, even if not the original Communicore West?

 

[trainplane3]

The entrance will be nice. As is the quality of IDF. And the new CV and Land films are surprisingly mature.

Do you have any hope at all for SSE? I'm not asking for info on the refurb, just wondering if you think it'll be great in a few years.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

People want a greener Disney and Future World. They are even making it part of the theme. "World Nature".

I can't wait for CommuniCore West to be torn down so FW will finally have some trees and water. (But no more air conditioning!)

 

[MisterPenguin]

Those enduring public spaces evolve over time and are not just dropped completed into place. The whole industry of urban design is guilty of hubris in thinking they can account for all changes in society and technology. Fußgängerzonen vs enclosed shopping malls which is currently in decline?

The key point is being ready to evolve and update. Don't ever put in infrastructure that can't be replaced. Don't know if Walt's plan had that in mind.

Dying Malls? This One Has Found a Way to Thrive (Published 2020)

Aventura Mall, near Miami, isn’t shy about investing in its infrastructure and is widely considered one of the most successful malls in the country.

www.nytimes.com

 

[marni1971]

What about Rat? I think I remember you saying you liked the attraction.

Also, if the new festival center is indeed on hold, any chance it gets cancelled and we get something better, even if not the original Communicore West?

Sorry, yes Rat will be a plus for the park. I could take it or leave it as an addition (having the one in Paris) but I don’t think it’ll be a detrimental addition. IMHO as always.

 

[marni1971]

Do you have any hope at all for SSE? I'm not asking for info on the refurb, just wondering if you think it'll be great in a few years.

I don’t know. I really don’t. Sadly I can’t automatically trust them anymore.

 

[trainplane3]

I don’t know. I really don’t. Sadly I can’t automatically trust them anymore.

It's pretty sad that it's at that point. I'm sure WDI has great plans but once someone above them steps in it probably all goes out the window (read as "this is cool but you need to include the following list of properties if you want a budget").

 

[marni1971]

It's pretty sad that it's at that point. I'm sure WDI has great plans but once someone above them steps in it probably all goes out the window (read as "this is cool but you need to include the following list of properties if you want a budget").

In a nutshell. Unless it’s exceptional.

There’s some pretty good older school people working on the park overhaul. But as we’ve seen they don’t have a say about everything.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Yes. I am. I’m not one of the negative, old people saying “ I remember when it was such and such “
Life is to short

I remember when Disney had higher standards, didn't neglect an entire theme park for almost 2 decades, and gave a damn about things not related to movie IP and merchandise synergy in every nook and cranny, per-guest spending, and quarterly profits. I guess that makes me old and negative in your book. Quite frankly, I don't care. I expect more, and I expect better from the company that set the bar high for theme parks, a bar that has been lowered so far it's basically a speed bump these days.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I remember when Disney had higher standards, didn't neglect an entire theme park for almost 2 decades, and gave a damn about things not related to movie IP and merchandise synergy in every nook and cranny, per-guest spending, and quarterly profits. I guess that makes me old and negative in your book. Quite frankly, I don't care. I expect more, and I expect better from the company that set the bar high for theme parks, a bar that has been lowered so far it's basically a speed bump these days.

People who believed in the Architecture of Reassurance. I’m negative because I still believe. I believe that themed entertainment is more than just stupid entertainment for stupid people, that it can be inspiring and aspirational, that it can move thoughtful, curious people to seek out more in the marvelous world in which we live, that we can make a better world.

 

[Bocabear]

People who believed in the Architecture of Reassurance. I’m negative because I still believe. I believe that themed entertainment is more than just stupid entertainment for stupid people, that it can be inspiring and aspirational, that it can move thoughtful, curious people to seek out more in the marvelous world in which we live, that we can make a better world.

THIS!

 

[trainplane3]

In a nutshell. Unless it’s exceptional.

There’s some pretty good older school people working on the park overhaul. But as we’ve seen they don’t have a say about everything.

I meant it exactly as a nutshell. There's for sure much more to it that can't be explained online.

Sort of like how they talk Fitzgerald up as being the big guy. I'm sure he has good ideas but he still has to answer to the powers.

I wish they didn't talk about who's leading it because it shouldn't matter at all. It could be some kid out of college or someone that's been with the company for 50 years. The end result is what matters. Just make it good.