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News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

solidyne

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I agree. I didn't mean to ask it like it was a good thing. I was curious if it was still a possibility. I would like to something similar to the original pavilion logos return. It's nice having a simple symbol represent a pavilion. Besides, the original logos are just too good not to use especially in the day of bold, clean, UI.
Another vote here for the symbols/logos. I loved those. Sometimes the littlest (and easiest, cheapest) things contribute the most to theming and imagination. C'mon Disney, it's not that hard!
 

marni1971

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No movement because they haven't decided which concept to implement and they keep pushing it off.
It’s slipped again to 22-3.

At this rate I’d be surprised if it happens at all as planned. Which may be a blessing. One can hope.
 

trainplane3

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It’s slipped again to 22-3.

At this rate I’d be surprised if it happens at all as planned. Which may be a blessing. One can hope.
Well, it'd be nice if they could put more "stuff" into the CC buildings if it's being pushed back. And while they're at it, they can repaint the buildings white/off-white to get rid of the screwy paint job.

Being there over the summer was quite a bummer (I rhyme, yo). With the buildings basically being closed off, Epcot lost a couple small, but fun things to do.
 

Kman101

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It’s slipped again to 22-3.

At this rate I’d be surprised if it happens at all as planned. Which may be a blessing. One can hope.
I wouldn't mind if the entire overhaul was scrapped but I'd still hope they take a paint brush to that awful color scheme in Future World and remove the tombstones ... that's all I'd really want. Remove the pin station in the hub plaza. Remove the tarps. Add some trees. That's all I'd really be asking for ... lol (and they can trim some of the overgrown planters too)

No need to raze the buildings but I'd rather they not sit empty though just for the sake of preserving them.

Do they not realize the mess that is the aesthetics of Future World?
 

Marc Davis Fan

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I wouldn't mind if the entire overhaul was scrapped but I'd still hope they take a paint brush to that awful color scheme in Future World and remove the tombstones ... that's all I'd really want. Remove the pin station in the hub plaza. Remove the tarps. Add some trees. That's all I'd really be asking for ...

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Do they not realize the mess that is the aesthetics of Future World?
Well-stated! This is the exact list of changes that would take Future World from being an unacceptable-quality land (aesthetic-wise) for a Disney park, to being nice-looking. It would be a minimal cost, and the changes are all things that would happen in any overhaul plan (removal of tarps, etc), so they wouldn't be spending extra by doing these things now.

A few more things I might add:

1. Replace the Mouse Gear and Electric Umbrella signage with more subdued variations that fit FW's aesthetic (like the "Fountain View" sign does).

2. Change the Starbucks signage on Fountain View to something non-generic and more subdued (i.e., as it appears in the other three parks).

3. Remove the "Innoventions" wrap from windowpanes.

Combining this with your removal of tarps and pin station, etc., and we might just have a beautiful place in the center of Future World again! Look how easy that was!
 
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Kman101

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Well-stated! This is the exact list of changes that would take Future World from being an unacceptable-quality land (aesthetic-wise) for a Disney park, to being nice-looking. It would be a minimal cost, and the changes are all things that would happen in any overhaul plan (removal of tarps, etc), so they wouldn't be spending extra by doing these things now.

A few more things I might add:

1. Replace the Mouse Gear and Electric Umbrella signage with more subdued variations that fit FW's aesthetic (like the "Fountain View" sign does).

2. Change the Starbucks signage on Fountain View to something non-generic and more subdued (i.e., as it appears in the other three parks).

3. Remove the "Innoventions" wrap from windowpanes.

Combining this with your removal of tarps and pin station, etc., and we might just have a beautiful place in the center of Future World again! Look how easy that was!
Agreed with all of this! It wouldn't be a lot in the grand scheme of things, even if the list seems lengthy.

The tombstones and paint scheme are my main issues with the tarps and pin station coming in after that.

I also forgot to add I'd like a re-do of Electric Umbrella. A better interior would be nice as well but that could be pushing it lol. The Space restaurant seems promising though.

Good points on the signage as well. I like the Fountain View sign, I'd stick with that thematic direction, the look of the exterior and the signage. I don't recall the interior being anything too special compared to the other parks' Starbucks but it serves it's purpose.
 

trainplane3

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Another vote here for the symbols/logos. I loved those. Sometimes the littlest (and easiest, cheapest) things contribute the most to theming and imagination. C'mon Disney, it's not that hard!
To add to this, it's not even nostalgia. I never got to experience Epcot in its heyday. The closest I got was Imagination V1, WoL, and Sea Base Alpha. As odd as it sounds, I just appreciate a good design. I know the old Epcot isn't ever coming back, but old pieces of theming can still be used. They linked the pavilions together in their own way. I have a couple of friends that love the logos like I do. They made me buy a couple things for them just because of the anniversary. Oh, and they aren't really Disney people at all. There's just something that feels futuristic about them.

The Epcot anniversaries are about the only times when Disney gets me to buy their in-park merchandise. After that, it's next to nothing from me. Every 5 years isn't so bad on the wallet. If the logos returned in full force though, I can guarantee Disney would see way more money from me.

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The 1997 employee pin set is by far my favorite version. It's plain and simple, no metallic flashiness. Still couldn't get WoL in the right color for some reason. I still gotta track down the rest of the silver and black WDI pins though. This is still only a portion of what I have. I might have a problem!
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
I wouldn't mind if the entire overhaul was scrapped but I'd still hope they take a paint brush to that awful color scheme in Future World and remove the tombstones ... that's all I'd really want. Remove the pin station in the hub plaza. Remove the tarps. Add some trees. That's all I'd really be asking for ... lol (and they can trim some of the overgrown planters too)
This. X1000.

I’ve been doing a lot of new research on Communicore recently. Did you know in the public exhibit areas there was only one dividing wall? Everything else was open plan. With that, plus the total wrap around glazing (aside from Central and Futurechoice) no wonder it was so light, airy and welcoming.

It is so annoying they are sat on a hidden gem that could easily shine again - even for today’s requirements - with not a lot of expenditure. Much like the Imagination pavilion.
 
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MerlinTheGoat

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It’s slipped again to 22-3.

At this rate I’d be surprised if it happens at all as planned. Which may be a blessing. One can hope.
This is how i've come to view the future plans for EPCOT. I feel 1994 was the last year EPCOT had ANY arguable improvement. But it was also the year things started down an unfortunate path (Innoventions and Horizons losing its sponsor). Ever since it has been a domino effect of consistently poor decisions that have ruined the park. And with perhaps the sole exception of the additional water features outside Odyssey seen in the D23 artwork (which may well have been artistic flourishes not intended to be built anyways), the future plans seem like a decisive continuation down this path.

It seems like the only two choices for EPCOT's future are either, 1- Let the park chug along as it currently is, or 2- Lose even more buildings and classic if somewhat old attractions (Spaceship Earth and The Land), to an ever growing infestation of cartoon and comic/scifi IP. If all the current plans are all inevitably some variation of the latter option, i would rather the plans get stuck in development hell and hopefully get canned. This will hopefully buy some time until (in an exceedingly slim chance) someone else gets put in charge who respects the original vision of EPCOT. Or if nothing else, prolonging the remaining life of what little qualities are left of the original EPCOT Center before we finally lose everything.
 

marni1971

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I’m currently tracking 24 distinct future projects for Epcot of various sizes. If they’ll all happen is doubtful but I think there’s a chance the vast majority will see the light of day in some form. But it depends on a) how much budgets get watered down and b) how much timescales slip.

And yes, most include IP.
 

JenniferS

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I’m currently tracking 24 distinct future projects for Epcot of various sizes. If they’ll all happen is doubtful but I think there’s a chance the vast majority will see the light of day in some form. But it depends on a) how much budgets get watered down and b) how much timescales slip.

And yes, most include IP.
To like, or not like this post. That is the question.
 

jmuboy

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This. X1000.

I’ve been doing a lot of new research on Communicore recently. Did you know in the public exhibit areas there was only one dividing wall? Everything else was open plan. With that, plus the total wrap around glazing (aside from Central and Futurechoice) no wonder it was so light, airy and welcoming.

It is so annoying they are sat on a hidden gem that could easily shine again - even for today’s requirements - with not a lot of expenditure. Much like the Imagination pavilion.
The spine only really needs a good vision for Comminicore and a toned down paint scheme and tarp removal.

Upgrade the entrance and remove the tombstones and you have a improved ( and cheaper ) refreshed entry experience. Please Disney!!!
 

clemmo

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I’m currently tracking 24 distinct future projects for Epcot of various sizes. If they’ll all happen is doubtful but I think there’s a chance the vast majority will see the light of day in some form. But it depends on a) how much budgets get watered down and b) how much timescales slip.

And yes, most include IP.
This surprises me. Honestly seems like most of the not announced ones are stalling out (coco, Brazil, uk, spine)
 

DisneyFan18

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I’m currently tracking 24 distinct future projects for Epcot of various sizes. If they’ll all happen is doubtful but I think there’s a chance the vast majority will see the light of day in some form. But it depends on a) how much budgets get watered down and b) how much timescales slip.

And yes, most include IP.
Does those projects include WS? If so is there anything else happening aside from Brazil, UK, Rat and Coco? :D
 

atighe42

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I’m currently tracking 24 distinct future projects for Epcot of various sizes. If they’ll all happen is doubtful but I think there’s a chance the vast majority will see the light of day in some form. But it depends on a) how much budgets get watered down and b) how much timescales slip.

And yes, most include IP.
What percentage do you approve of, all things considered? AND.... will we be Finding Dreams??
 

UpAllNight

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I’m currently tracking 24 distinct future projects for Epcot of various sizes. If they’ll all happen is doubtful but I think there’s a chance the vast majority will see the light of day in some form. But it depends on a) how much budgets get watered down and b) how much timescales slip.

And yes, most include IP.
With the pace they move at and the layers of management these plans need to pass through before they get started it’s very difficult to get excited. I remember talk on here about over $3billion going to DHS and we’re ending up with Star Wars, Toy Story and a replacement for The Great Movie Ride. You could build a new park for $3billion, so who knows where the rest of that money went.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
Does those projects include WS? If so is there anything else happening aside from Brazil, UK, Rat and Coco? :D
Yes and yes. Though happening should still be swapped for proposed.

What percentage do you approve of, all things considered? AND.... will we be Finding Dreams??
Approval.... it’s always subjective. Given my feelings and emotions about this park I think it’s in the eye of the beholder. One or two I’m interesting in seeing the final results of.

With the pace they move at and the layers of management these plans need to pass through before they get started it’s very difficult to get excited. I remember talk on here about over $3billion going to DHS and we’re ending up with Star Wars, Toy Story and a replacement for The Great Movie Ride. You could build a new park for $3billion, so who knows where the rest of that money went.
Currently 2 billion-ish will have been spent on DHS by the time SWL opens. Add the not-happening parking structures, a certain coaster that’s being built in the MK and a projected E ticket for mid next decade are your edging towards 3 billion.
 

DisneyFan18

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Yes and yes. Though happening should still be swapped for proposed.



Approval.... it’s always subjective. Given my feelings and emotions about this park I think it’s in the eye of the beholder. One or two I’m interesting in seeing the final results of.



Currently 2 billion-ish will have been spent on DHS by the time SWL opens. Add the not-happening parking structures, a certain coaster that’s being built in the MK and a projected E ticket for mid next decade are your edging towards 3 billion.
Thanks for answering and my mistake, I was thinking about proposed and ended up writing happening (tho I really hope that Poppins and Coco happen). I forgot to ask but does any of the other proposals involve Big Hero 6, as you said they were mostly IP and I guess that one sort of fits at EPCOT (at least better than Guardians IMHO)
 

marni1971

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Premium Member
Thanks for answering and my mistake, I was thinking about proposed and ended up writing happening (tho I really hope that Poppins and Coco happen). I forgot to ask but does any of the other proposals involve Big Hero 6, as you said they were mostly IP and I guess that one sort of fits at EPCOT (at least better than Guardians IMHO)
BH6 is considered a suitable IP (groan) but I’ve not seen it assigned anywhere in the park.
 
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