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News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

FigmentForver96

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And yet, in the new Frozen short, bakers in Arendale bake cookies in the shape of Norway...
And????? That makes Arendale any more real? Frozen did not take place in Norway even if the movie is inspired by there. Ratatoullie was in Paris therefore actually took place in a real location in the real world. Frozen did not. So to have Frozen in the country as if it was the representation of the country makes no sense.
 
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rreading

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And????? That makes Arendale any more real? Frozen did not take place in Norway even if the movie is inspired by there. Ratatoullie was in Paris therefore actually took place in a real location in the real world. Frozen did not. So to have Frozen in the country as if it was the representation of the country makes no sense.
At this point, it appears that Disney’s party line is that Arendale is an aspect (?small country within vs province vs...?) of Norway. When we visit the Stave Church, we appreciate the Nordic tradition as it was represented well in the movie; and my kids are FAR more interested in learning in this context.

And by the way, my understanding is that they did create Arendale as if it were a representation of Norway. They just didn’t call it that.
 

PREMiERdrum

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As of now the expansion wouldn’t.


It’s that ten year time again (though it’ll be more like fifteen)
Flip side of that coin... would the refresh move away from live marine mammals? I don't have a problem with the concept, but the current living situation for the dolphins is far worse than any Seaword park or Mexican resort.
 

dodolitsky

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And????? That makes Arendale any more real? Frozen did not take place in Norway even if the movie is inspired by there. Ratatoullie was in Paris therefore actually took place in a real location in the real world. Frozen did not. So to have Frozen in the country as if it was the representation of the country makes no sense.
The average person will learn just as much, if not more, about Norway from watching Frozen as they would about France from Ratatouille.

And yes, it does appear that Frozen took place in Norway, with Arendelle being a more specific, independently governed, location within Norway. Yes, it’s fictitious, but so is the restaurant Remy works at - doesn’t mean it’s not located in Paris
 
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Amidala

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Well yeah. The ride's story is an 30 second Elsa meet and greet taking place on a boat. Of course an actual Anna and Elsa meet and greet would be better then that.
I definitely sympathize w/ the argument that Frozen doesn't belong in Norway (although the ship has sailed there, and I'm not as bothered by it as some) but totally disagree on this. I've heard it said that if the Frozen ride was built in MK Fantasyland, it would be the best ride there and I agree. I know people have reservations about projected faces on animatronics, but I found them to be really convincing, and the Olaf animatronic doubly so. The "Let it Go" scene could have used a little more, but the others were beautiful, and I think the Frozen updates suited the ride really well. Especially when you consider that the base ride wasn't originally built for this purpose.

All that being said, Arendelle is a fictional place...Paris isn't. IMO Ratatouille reads very much like a love letter to France–the movie wouldn't work elsewhere. Frozen was only ever meant to be vaguely Scandinavian. Before now, there was nothing actually tying Frozen to Norway except the fashion inspiration. Disney is making Arendelle out to be Norwegian after the fact because it benefits them to do so. It's not something that keeps me up at night personally, but if you're a stickler for accuracy in World Showcase, I can see a big difference between the two.

Well, that's subtle. Norway is kind of shaped like a ladle, so maybe it was a bad attempt at a ladle shaped cookie. Still, could be that this particular family has a fondness for Norway (a country with no ties or resemblance whatsoever to Arendelle.)
The woman sings that she's baking the cookie in the shape of Norway, so it was definitely deliberate.
 

clemmo

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Just looked at the rumor tracker and still surprised about illuminations and innoventions 2.0 for 2020. Is this still the case?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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No. Nighttime show is currently mid 2019.
Just to make sure...

You (or, more specifically, TDO) orginally had summer 2019.
This version of RoE 2.0 has been bouncing around 2017-18-19 for quite a while. There have been several pushes to bring it forward. As of very recently it's scheduled to debut early summer 2019.


But when you said this, that pushed it to 2020...


And @Magic Feather agreed with 2020 or even later.
Honestly, they are going to EPCOT and only EPCOT for the forseeable domestic future. Current plan is for them to be used in Illuminations: Next Gen (Not the Subtitle... Or is it?), which should debut in time for the 50th, and may or may not feature studio IP. Other than Dronez, Pyro, and Fountains, stuff is still up for grabs as far as being included. As of now, the target is 2020, but I expect it to go to 2021 to compensate for Happily Ever After: Revised. Also, I know its the wrong thread(s), but I don't expect major RoL changes until post 50, do expect AK changes pre-50, and Studios Nighttime Spectaculars should look as different now compared to three years ago, as it will from now compared to three years ago.


IMO, the sooner the better. :)
 

trainplane3

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Man, I really hope the new Illuminations is just as great as what we have right now. It's a great show with an even better soundtrack. My show had people still awwing over it, if that means anything.

I finally saw the Peace on Earth finale. THAT was incredible. Everything worked flawlessly, opening earth and fireworks out of it. My August show was pretty bad. No opening and there were "empty" parts. When they bring out the extra barges, do they use them for the regular portion? I swear there were parts that were "beefed up".
 
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