News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[celluloid]

DHS isn't really about "moving making" any more. It's about "riding the movies". If they added Cars Land to DHS and allowed guests to visit Radiator Springs, that absolutely fits that park. Just as it does with visiting Andy's backyard or Batuu. And, yes, Zootopia works as well, though I think Cars Land in general seems like a more appealing addition (in particular that it has 3 attractions and DHS needs as many as possible).

Sort of.
We get what it is not about with the last two additions.

But yet, it still has multiple things left over that have "movie making" in the sense of Hollywood that never was and always will be. For how long who knows, but have stood for decades at same time.

Indy Stunt spectacular.
Backlot Express
Rocknrollercoaster
Muppet Vision 3D
Walt Disney Presents
Sci FI Dine-in
Star Wars Launch Bay

That's still three major attractions and establishments to compliment as well as other things sprinkled throughout. Still a quarter of the park plus.
Then some of the quasi ones put the magic of the movies in show business history and premiers of movie making glitz.
The backstory of Tower of Terror
The conceit of Runaway Railway.

Yeah, Toy Story Land and Battu made it more immersive land based than Hollywood. But those are just the two recent major additions.

Studios is still in the name and throughout. It does not have to be abandoned completely. And it does not need to be behind the scenes factoids people know well now to keep the studios connection.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

DHS isn't really about "moving making" any more. It's about "riding the movies". If they added Cars Land to DHS and allowed guests to visit Radiator Springs, that absolutely fits that park. Just as it does with visiting Andy's backyard or Batuu. And, yes, Zootopia works as well, though I think Cars Land in general seems like a more appealing addition (in particular that it has 3 attractions and DHS needs as many as possible).

I think the central question which exposes the flimsiness of DHS's theme though is: what WDW park can NOT be described as "riding the movies" these days?

One of the best paths they could take to give DHS a unique identity is to make it the "non-Disney IP park". Marvel, Lucasfilm, 21st Century Fox, Pixar, throw all of that into one park. It's actually not that far from that already.

 

[JaKnight]

If "Desert Land" ends up being real, what IPs could go there? Because if they rule out Cars, they don't have much left. Besides Woody, what other IP could they use? The Lone Ranger (That bombs,)?

 

[ChrisFL]

Obviously Cars Land is going into Animal Kingdom!

 

[Ragerunner]

MK - Villains land seems to fit and it would not be a single IP themed land.

DHS - I actually would like to see the Moana flume ride here. That parks needs something with more vegetation and a water based ride system.

AK - Indiana Jones and Encanto work. Then add a coaster ride experience to Pandora.

EPCOT - Incredibles for WoL, bring back Mary Poppins, add Coco to Mexico and then build an India or Brazil Pavilion.

 

[Brer Panther]

Obviously Cars Land is going into Animal Kingdom!

Shhhhh, don't give Disney ideas.

 

[osian]

I get what you’re saying but it’s also like saying we shouldn’t have Haunted Mansion and the Little Mermaid ride in MK along with Nemo and Epcot because it’s the same ride system

No, re-read what I said, I'm saying that the same "technical" ride system does not make two rides similar.

 

[co10064]

I get what you’re saying but it’s also like saying we shouldn’t have Haunted Mansion and the Little Mermaid ride in MK along with Nemo and Epcot because it’s the same ride system

I also believe Test Track and Radiator Springs Racers are too similar. The problem for me lies in the vehicles themselves (both themed as cars) and the slow dark-ride portion followed by the high speed ending portion.

Journey to the Center of the Earth at Tokyo would be a better differentiator, IMO (though unlikely due to the IP mandate). The ride vehicles themselves aren't supposed to be automobiles.

 

[osian]

I think the central question which exposes the flimsiness of DHS's theme though is: what WDW park can NOT be described as "riding the movies" these days?

One of the best paths they could take to give DHS a unique identity is to make it the "non-Disney IP park". Marvel, Lucasfilm, 21st Century Fox, Pixar, throw all of that into one park. It's actually not that far from that already.

Indeed...and I think I made the same point a few months ago in another thread!

Magic Kingdom was built in the image of Disneyland, which others have pointed out, was deisgned for the Disney movie-making marketing ecosystem. (I don't fully agree with that conclusion, but we'll run with that for the time being). It's the natural home for all things Disney animation. Hollywood Studios is now the natural home for all the non-Disney IP. The name "Hollywood Studios" still fits...it's like a fictionalised, virtual studio that has made all these movies that you're now experiencing. Pixar, Marvel etc...all come under the moniker of "Made by Hollywood Studios". Originally, it was built to copy what Universal were doing, but the whole "this is how moves are made" concept has had its day.

I just wish the current Disney board would do the logical and sensible thing and make it so, rather than converting all the other parks into something that is not natural for them and not making the most of the opportunity to expand in that way. DHS could be so much more epic than Epic Universe, with the other parks providing something unique that Universal does not offer.

 

[JustInTime]

Villains could work in DHS. We already had Fantasmic and Villains in Vogue, plus the park could finally get a boat ride if they go with that old concept.

Imagine a dark ride based on Fantasmic

 

[GhostHost1000]

I also believe Test Track and Radiator Springs Racers are too similar. The problem for me lies in the vehicles themselves (both themed as cars) and the slow dark-ride portion followed by the high speed ending portion.

Journey to the Center of the Earth at Tokyo would be a better differentiator, IMO (though unlikely due to the IP mandate). The ride vehicles themselves aren't supposed to be automobiles.

Nemo and Little Mermaid both have clam shells in omnimovers

I understand what you’re saying though.

 

[MouseEarsMom33]

Cars Land is one of the unique things that gets me to want to visit DL too. If they take the major attractions and replicate them on both coasts, I will be less likely to go to DL and just continue going to WDW. If RSR goes to WDW, then it will depend on what DL forward looks like.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Does AdventureBoatland really need another boat ride?

YES!!

And while we're at it, change the Magic Carpets to Raya's boats.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Filling in the Rivers of America? Are they nuts?

According to our best insiders... it has been on the table a few times while spitballing.

 

[Starship824]

According to our best insiders... it has been on the table a few times while spitballing.

I really hope it stays and just shorten it and do what they did in DL with the back half.

 

[Tha Realest]

The working theory is that Cars and Villains switched places.

Hear me out: Cars are the villains. They achieved sentience, killed all of humanity, but kept the same form factor for when they used to carry around the meat puppets.

 

[Phicinfan]

Here's my concern. What if Villians land doesn't happen in either DHS or MK?
My thinking here is...

Cars goes into one of the two, Zootopia may go.

We have multiple insiders who state there are long term designs for a 5th gate. Can you think of a better 5th gate for WDW than a Villians based MK? I proposed this quite a while ago, that you do an almost anti-MK with villians, as your 5th gate in Florida. My fear is they sit on this version for IF they do a 5th gate, which I don't think they ever will, so we don't get the Villians land idea.

 

[Tha Realest]

According to our best insiders... it has been on the table a few times while spitballing.

I wish the Imagineers would just stick to the rivers and the lakes that we’re used to.

 

[doctornick]

Does Adventureland really need another boat ride?

Jungle Cruise and POTC aren't really similar rides in any way. And from the concept art, it doesn't seem like Moana would be that similar to either of them as well - it's unclear if it is more of a flume ride like Splash or uses some other technology because there is seemingly a decent sized drop there.

Does anyone go around (saw) DL's Fantasyland and complain that there are too many busbar rides?

 

[Surferboy567]

Hear me out: Cars are the villains. They achieved sentience, killed all of humanity, but kept the same form factor for when they used to carry around the meat puppets.

No joke, I thought I saw a comment about this on Twitter the other day.

Something to the effect of cars realizing they don’t need humans so they kill their owner or use them as some sort of puppet. They however, take on the personality of their owner at the time. Explaining why some of their world operates like ours but cars.