Incomudro
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And let's see it all be well maintained.
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News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom
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Brer Oswald
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We’ve all seen the Spider-Man ride in DCA right? Some of us have been unfortunate enough to actually ride it. I think it’s a blessing we still have the Spider-Man ride at IoA rather than something infinitely inferior in, say, DHS.
Brer Oswald
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Disney could absolutely go balls to the walls and do a Kingdom Hearts dark ride with all of the main Disney Villains in Hollow Bastion, set up against the big waterfall. Have you “travel” to different worlds like Olympus, Wonderland, Agrabah, etc.
They won’t though
yensidtlaw1969
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Historically, new parks just cannibalize attendance at existing parks. People don’t get more vacation time just because there’s a new park, so rather than add another day to see the new park they just cross one of the existing parks off their list of things to see.
Universal doesn’t mind this because they think they can steal a day that people currently spend at Disney. Disney wants to steal back the time people have started giving to Universal, but not at the expense of one of their own existing parks. When AK opened lots of guests just skipped out on EPCOT or Studios to see it.
Building a 5th park, while creatively titillating, doesn’t solve more problems than it creates, so Disney isn’t interested.
Andrew25
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Pair that with staffing concerns (Universal is still understaffed, no idea how they will staff a 3rd additional dry park), there is no need for a 5th WDW park.
Until Disney can somehow keep all of their current park late like MK with decent crowds, no real need.
People aren't adding an additional day to Orlando for a whole new park, which is why they need to focus on making their current parks up to date and relevant to prevent people from missing out on a park entirely.
After Hours will be a big benefit from Universal taking away days (or trips outright) from WDW. Very easy to just add a night of After Hours into a Universal-focused trip. '
Disney said the parks were getting a Star Wars Land... and it got built.
Disney said there would be a Toy Story Land... and it got built.
Disney said there would be Ratatouille... and it got built.
Disney said there would be a GotG coaster... and it got built.
Disney said there would a a Frozen Land, Zootopia Land, BatB ride... and it got built (or in process).
So, this is me booing your post and walking out.
Bleed0range
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I think Disney could honestly use someone crossing a park off their list for a little while.
DonniePeverley
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Those were announced properly.
They weren't talked about in the 'Beyond ' nonsense category.
Bleed0range
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I think the Encanto thing will happen but maybe it doesn’t end up beyond big thunder. The Villains thing is the most exciting but has the least likely chance of happening considering the art was literally some shadows behind their actual Encanto/CoCo ideas.
The only thing I think will happen is they’ll do something there, eventually. Probably.
MagicHappens1971
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If EU wasn’t opening with a Monsters land I would be more skeptical, but I think it is very possible that Disney builds a Villainsland either at MK or DHS in the coming years
Coaster Lover
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- In the Parks
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Adding a major (Galaxy's Edge or Pandora) size land to each of the four parks simultaneously would probably cost less than adding a fifth gate, would be logistically simpler than adding a fifth gate, and would likely have a similar marketing draw of adding a fifth gate (especially if they are advertising all four additions as one big resort wide addition)... nonetheless, I don't even see Disney doing that...
Fox&Hound
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If DHS built into the parking lot behind Indy and redid the Disney Jr area, wouldn't it like double in size, theoretically? And imagine if AK built on their expansion pad in Asia, added one more ride to Pandora, and went through with their tropical Americas idea. Epcot just needs a new Figment and maybe put in the Poppin plan. As the wise emperor Kuzco once said "Boom, baby!"
MagicHappens1971
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My lines aren't perfect so I'm sure the numbers aren't 100% accurate, but yes the park would nearly double in size.
This is very unlikely to happen just in general, but even if it were, where would they put the parking garage needed for this to happen?
Also Animation Courtyard sits basically useless, as well as the Indy Stunt Show/Star Tours plot. The parks need to fix the issues they have before expanding.
WoundedDreamer
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I've never understood the persistence of the villains land concept. If memory serves, it actually was a real idea tossed around by Imagineering. But I think the concept in its entirety is somewhat questionable.
First, you have the problem of environment. Disney Parks spaces are supposed to be beautiful. When Disney Parks spaces are not beautiful, it often provokes a visceral reaction on the part of guests. Take the response to Walt Disney Studios Park and Disney's California Adventure when they originally opened. Both had spaces that were ugly, and thus those parks were maligned. Disney's Animal Kingdom dabbles the most with rugged environments, but no one questions the beauty of the environments there. Dinorama, despite being rather thematically clever, is hated because it's ugly.
What would a villains land look and feel like? The land would need show the "villainishness" in the environment. Is villainy good or bad? Well, bad obviously. So, the environment would need to demonstrate the decay associated with exploitation, theft, and hatred. If it didn't do that, the moral of the story would be villainy is a good thing. So, you can expect broken down and degraded buildings. Signs of evil and oppression. And because this is a villain's land, we can assume that any resistance is futile. So, there would not even be the semblance of hope that the villains can be defeated. Even as villainy is ugly, so too will the environment be ugly. I don't see how you get around this point.
My second critique is related to the thematic concerns. Villainy itself is not an adequate unifying theme or message. What would a villains land be communicating to guests? "If you put your mind to it, you too can be sadistic enemy of goodness." Disney villains were traditionally designed to be textbook definitions of evil. Evil should not be celebrated in a Disney Park. Is it we (the guest) are journeying into villains land in order to defeat the villains? That's better, but it's not a unique concept to a villains land. Even Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin deals with defeating an enemy or "villain." Why is an entire land dedicated to villains better than placing attractions about confronting evil throughout the resort? Especially when those attractions could be tailored fit the environment.
Exactly. Building new theme parks includes significant spending on infrastructure. Things like parking, connective areas between attractions, security areas, ticket booths, etc. all add to the expense. Disney has an advantage because it already has all this infrastructure in place four times over.
James Alucobond
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I think you would run into this issue if you tried to dedicate an entire park to it, but I think there are ways to handle it elegantly if it’s a land-sized addition. For instance, if the entire hub were indoors, you could have the land be perpetually in simulated night, with alleys full of magical artifact vendors, potion shops, etc. Focus on the mysterious and sorcerous, with the beauty of night and controlled lighting as a means of keeping the look elevated and not generically scary. You could even have cheerful villain gatherings at a facsimile of the Snuggly Duckling from Rapunzel, perhaps.
TheIceBaron
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I agree that there needs to be attention given to other parks before a 5th gate is considered.
However, the villains concept would be better suited for a 5th gate. But with maybe more of a broader Halloween/night concept to allow for other less scary elements. Like the entrance could be similar to a whimsical Halloween town or something more inviting like that.
The key is that with an entire new park you could bring in villains from all the properties instead of just the Disney animation villains. For instance there could be a Star Wars area dedicated to original trilogy villains like Darth Vader and Jabba the hut in their own native planets that are not inherently scary or uninviting. However a galaxy’s edge sized addition themed to villains is still only two rides and not even a sit down restaurant or a show which limits lots of potential of the idea.
Additional capacity at Magic kingdom sounds great except I think the crowds will still be insane if not moreso. The Magic Kingdom entrance is already packed to the brim at the beginning of the day. I’d rather there be draws away from Magic Kingdom.
Epic Universe is also more likely to make guest attendance drop at all the other parks except for Magic Kingdom. As the Magic Kingdom draws different types of crowds than any Universal park does.
However, the villains concept would be better suited for a 5th gate. But with maybe more of a broader Halloween/night concept to allow for other less scary elements. Like the entrance could be similar to a whimsical Halloween town or something more inviting like that.
The key is that with an entire new park you could bring in villains from all the properties instead of just the Disney animation villains. For instance there could be a Star Wars area dedicated to original trilogy villains like Darth Vader and Jabba the hut in their own native planets that are not inherently scary or uninviting. However a galaxy’s edge sized addition themed to villains is still only two rides and not even a sit down restaurant or a show which limits lots of potential of the idea.
Additional capacity at Magic kingdom sounds great except I think the crowds will still be insane if not moreso. The Magic Kingdom entrance is already packed to the brim at the beginning of the day. I’d rather there be draws away from Magic Kingdom.
Epic Universe is also more likely to make guest attendance drop at all the other parks except for Magic Kingdom. As the Magic Kingdom draws different types of crowds than any Universal park does.
ToTBellHop
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The fact that we are even discussing a DHS expansion makes me even more frustrated that they didn’t just update GMR and build MMRR where Launch Bay is, opening onto Animation Courtyard as it should. El Capitoon would have been amusing around the corner from the Chinese Theatre.
Missed opportunity to kill two birds with one stone for only a bit more money than they spent converting GMR to MMRR. Why on earth do they throw out great rides (that just need a little TLC) at the resort with the blessing of size?
Missed opportunity to kill two birds with one stone for only a bit more money than they spent converting GMR to MMRR. Why on earth do they throw out great rides (that just need a little TLC) at the resort with the blessing of size?
We should all know this so your question is theoretical, but for anyone new or needing a reminder, it's because above all-else, Iger has been myopic when it comes to expanding operational capacity of the Florida project. An additional ride means additional staff, additional maintenance, additional electricity and inspection fees, etc. Cardinal sin.
ToTBellHop
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I know. It’s bizarre that so soon after, he has had an epiphany and now wants to expand. We are lucky TRON and Rat were allowed to be actual expansions.