News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[yensidtlaw1969]

I just don't see it. Sorry.

Which part? That the Hollywood Boulevard, Sunset Boulevard, and Echo Lake parts of Disney's Hollywood Studios are themed to Hollywood? Or that the park could actually be made cohesive without yet another wholesale reboot that rips out successful elements in place of genuine expansion?

 

[Bocabear]

The framework of the park is ok...There are easy places to expand...especially if they get rid of the infrastructure that was for film production for good, and move the offices and such out of the backlot area and perhaps into the Galactic Star Cruiser...lol
But it seems like they could do a lot more with the park if they wanted...I get the feeling that SWGE and TSL are all we are going to get aside from a revamped 30 year old mermaid show.

 

[Mike S]

Historically, new parks just cannibalize attendance at existing parks. People don’t get more vacation time just because there’s a new park, so rather than add another day to see the new park they just cross one of the existing parks off their list of things to see.

Universal doesn’t mind this because they think they can steal a day that people currently spend at Disney. Disney wants to steal back the time people have started giving to Universal, but not at the expense of one of their own existing parks. When AK opened lots of guests just skipped out on EPCOT or Studios to see it.

Building a 5th park, while creatively titillating, doesn’t solve more problems than it creates, so Disney isn’t interested.

True but if I recall my history correctly DAK was the only WDW park that cannibalized attendance. EPCOT Center and MGM Studios both increased overall resort attendance upon their opening. I’m not advocating a fifth park btw.

Maybe 3 is indeed the magic number, especially now with Universal on an upswing and nowhere near the confusing marketing campaign of “Universal Escape” around IoA’s opening.

 

[UNCgolf]

As I stated pretty clearly, the entire front half of the park is still heavily Hollywood-themed.

Sort of -- the building facades are still heavily themed (and fantastic), but they've stripped away so much else.

 

[osian]

Copying Universal once again, Disney dropped the studios aspect of the park, making it less meta about the making of movies and it's now more about taking you into the movies. The name MGM Studios had to go, and in came Hollywood Studios. But I think that name still stands as a concept. It's the "Hollywood that never was and always will be". It's like an imaginary company called Hollywood Studios and these are the movies it has made. A ready-made story to be told there and I think it's pretty clever!

The park is still a design mess and underdeveloped. But I really think they should double-down on the movie concept. And not dilute it, and the other parks, by putting movies into the other parks for the sake of putting movies into the other parks (though there's a lot of work to do to undo the damage already done). If they want a park that always reflects what Universal does, this is the park to do it with. That's how it came into existence in the first place.

I think Villains Land/Park is a good example of group-think. A bandwagon. Someone mentioned it once and it somehow became a snowball. But stop to think about it, does this really make sense (for MK especially) and it is really what people want or have they just jumped on a bandwagon? Again, Universal have now done it in Epic Universe, does this mean Disney should continue to copy or come up with something original that Universal doesn't have? Disney really does have the foundations for strong themetic integrity in all their parks, tying all the attractions together into a single unifying and unique concept, unlike Universal, whose parks are just collections of movie IP mini-lands.

 

[Brer Panther]

Here's what I think Disney should do with Hollywood Studios: make the front half of the part (Hollywood Boulevard, Sunset Boulevard, etc.) about "the Hollywood of yesteryear" and the making of movies, then have the back half with all the IP lands be about taking you INTO the movies.

 

[bmr1591]

DHS needs to find its identity. It's not "Hollywood" anymore. A villains-anything would make more sense there, I think. More so than MK; especially if the goal is to cast the park as the "edgy" anti-Magic Kingdom. It skews "more teen", which fits right in with the "Nightmare Before Christmas" IP. If only they could somehow combine the idea of "Villains" while also including non-villainous properties that still fit within the "Scary/Spooky/Evil" conceptual mold. It'd be the perfect park addition. If MK is the sugary dreams of childhood, DHS could be the nightmare and adrenaline fueled fantasies of tween/teen angst.

They made a mistake making IP specific lands instead of Studio-specific lands.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

They made a mistake making IP specific lands instead of Studio-specific lands.

And it's difficult to overcome that and course correct. That and for the time being they seem content with continuing down the IP lands rabbit hole. The only options now are to either A) go in an entirely different direction for the park. Realms? Or 2) Figure out how to leverage what little of Hollywood still remains Hollywood and expand. Neither option is great.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

And it's difficult to overcome that and course correct. That and for the time being they seem content with continuing down the IP lands rabbit hole. The only options now are to either A) go in an entirely different direction for the park. Realms? Or 2) Figure out how to leverage what little of Hollywood still remains Hollywood and expand. Neither option is great.

To be clear, "what little of Hollywood still remains Hollywood" emcompasses everything in the red circle. It's not insignificant:

 

[RobbinsDad]

And it's difficult to overcome that and course correct. That and for the time being they seem content with continuing down the IP lands rabbit hole. The only options now are to either A) go in an entirely different direction for the park. Realms? Or 2) Figure out how to leverage what little of Hollywood still remains Hollywood and expand. Neither option is great.

If there is DHS expansion more IP lands is the future. CarsLand in DHS is a likely suspect, IMO.

 

[MR.Dis]

The framework of the park is ok...There are easy places to expand...especially if they get rid of the infrastructure that was for film production for good, and move the offices and such out of the backlot area and perhaps into the Galactic Star Cruiser...lol
But it seems like they could do a lot more with the park if they wanted...I get the feeling that SWGE and TSL are all we are going to get aside from a revamped 30 year old mermaid show.

To expand your thoughts, this is a Park--to entertain people. So I really do not care if it is Hollywood specific or IP specific as long as it is entertaining and is worth the money spent to enter. My constant mantra--complete this park, build more attractions. Give customers a full 9 to 11 hours of activities of enjoyment. As set up now, my family will complete all activities in about 5 to 6 hours and move on--a half day park.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They made a mistake making IP specific lands instead of Studio-specific lands.

I would contend that theming a land to a specific studio is not a good idea. And yes, that goes for Pixar Pier.

When you use a studio as a theme, then you are locked into just those IP from that studio. An IP from a different studio may be perfect to match with an IP from another studio... but nope. They're different studios, so, you're forced to keep them separate. Sorry, Merida, but you can't be with the Disney princesses in DAS-Land because you're from Pixar.

Also, you start to scrape the bottom of a studio's barrel if you limit yourself to just that studio for 'the land.'

 

[Purduevian]

I would contend that theming a land to a specific studio is not a good idea. And yes, that goes for Pixar Pier.

When you use a studio as a theme, then you are locked into just those IP from that studio. An IP from a different studio may be perfect to match with an IP from another studio... but nope. They're different studios, so, you're forced to keep them separate. Sorry, Merida, but you can't be with the Disney princesses in DAS-Land because you're from Pixar.

Also, you start to scrape the bottom of a studio's barrel if you limit yourself to just that studio for 'the land.'

DCA also has a Carsland, monsters inc ride, Turtle talk, and Philharmagic (with a Coco Scene) all ourside of "Pixar Pier"

 

[Sectorkeeper71]

I would contend that theming a land to a specific studio is not a good idea. And yes, that goes for Pixar Pier.

When you use a studio as a theme, then you are locked into just those IP from that studio. An IP from a different studio may be perfect to match with an IP from another studio... but nope. They're different studios, so, you're forced to keep them separate. Sorry, Merida, but you can't be with the Disney princesses in DAS-Land because you're from Pixar.

Also, you start to scrape the bottom of a studio's barrel if you limit yourself to just that studio for 'the land.'

I think you can make a whole “studio” land work; even with Toy Story land in Hollywood studios, you still have the rest of the Pixar properties you can draw from if you wanted to make a Pixar land there. My issue is more when you make the studio land as a shoehorn into an existing space ala Pixar pier

 

[capsshield]

They could divide it like they have disney plus
Pixar
Lucasfilm
Disney animation
Disney live action
Marvel studios
Even 20th century fox
Leave the Hollywood as a gateway

And for the "can't use marvel" voices, yes they can just not the marvel Universal uses.

 

[Brer Panther]

And for the "can't use marvel" voices, yes they can just not the marvel Universal uses.

Doesn't that basically amount to Guardians of the Galaxy and nothing more?

 

[denyuntilcaught]

I just don't see it. Sorry.

I think it's worth putting yourself in a regular guests' shoes. I'd bet guests understand the concept of DHS more tangibly than, say, EPCOT.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I think it's worth putting yourself in a regular guests' shoes. I'd bet guests understand the concept of DHS more tangibly than, say, EPCOT.

Perhaps. I don't want to presume what the average park guest sees. It is in the park name though so that helps.

 

[Phicinfan]

They could divide it like they have disney plus
Pixar
Lucasfilm
Disney animation
Disney live action
Marvel studios
Even 20th century fox
Leave the Hollywood as a gateway

And for the "can't use marvel" voices, yes they can just not the marvel Universal uses.

Actually, they can't use the word Marvel in the parks east of the Mississippi I believe. Nor the Marvel characters that Universal uses.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Actually, they can't use the word Marvel in the parks east of the Mississippi I believe. Nor the Marvel characters that Universal uses.

They can’t use the word Marvel period when it comes to theme parks (at least in the US). That’s why Avengers Campus is Avengers Campus