News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[PuertoRekinSam]

Apologies for the major thread drift, but when the animated films are in development, do you think imagineering get a look in at the same time? for possible attraction ideas?

The only ride I'm familiar with that opened way before the film release was Jurassic Park. To be fair, even if the film was an absolute dud that no one saw, you could guarantee that people would still be riding it.

I guess it's a lot of money to really gamble on, but sometimes I think why on earth weren't these attractions developed sooner? To at least try and ride the wave of popularity at its peak and then just carry on riding the wave of nostalgia and along the way sell billions of popcorn buckets and bubble wands with your star plastered on the front of it...

Tough to be a big opened before bugs life
Buzz Lightyear space ranger spin (first appearance of zurg) opened before Toy Story 2

Shows at the studios (beauty and the beast, the original Pocahontas stage show) opened day and date (or at least really close) with movies.

 

[celluloid]

The only ride I'm familiar with that opened way before the film release was Jurassic Park. To be fair, even if the film was an absolute dud that no one saw, you could guarantee that people would still be riding it.

This is not true.
Maybe you misunderstood the fact it was in early development before the movie came out so Universal Creative and Gary Goddard's company went to the book as the movie was not finished with production. Many changes later and we got the River Adventure.
The ride opened in 1996. Three years after the film's release and smash hit box office of 1993.

 

[Brer Panther]

Apologies for the major thread drift, but when the animated films are in development, do you think imagineering get a look in at the same time? for possible attraction ideas?

I think the cancelled Atlantis retheme of Submarine Voyage at Disneyland was developed before the movie was released, for what it's worth.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

They have kangaroos in front of Tree of Life.

I already knew. I checked their website. The park still doesn’t have koalas, jaguars, wombats, capybaras, and South American monkeys though, so it makes sense to have South America and Australia lands in the park. They can even put in a small North America land with bears, cougars, deer, etc., and a new version of Camp Mickey-Minnie.

 

[peter11435]

I already knew. I checked their website. The park still doesn’t have koalas, jaguars, wombats, capybaras, and South American monkeys though, so it makes sense to have South America and Australia lands in the park. They can even put in a small North America land with bears, cougars, deer, etc., and a new version of Camp Mickey-Minnie.

The park did have capybaras.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Apologies for the major thread drift, but when the animated films are in development, do you think imagineering get a look in at the same time? for possible attraction ideas?

Yes. It's how an attraction like Tarzan's Treehouse can open the same year as the movie.

But I think it doesn't happen as often now because Disney would rather wait and see if something is a hit first before getting too far into development.

 

[SplashJacket]

I think the cancelled Atlantis retheme of Submarine Voyage at Disneyland was developed before the movie was released, for what it's worth.

I’ve heard of this before, but haven’t come across an extensive detailing. Anyone know where I can find one?

 

[The Lochness Monsta]

Are you so desperate to score points against Disney and Encanto that you've now resorted to just make up stuff and appear foolish?

D+ does not have a free tier. Its ad-supported tier is $7.99. So, you were wrong.

D+ is **PURPOSEFULLY** losing money as a "loss leader." Their SEC guidance was that it would lose money while it is gearing up and they're investing in it to make it an international market. The guidance is that they will be profitable in fiscal year 2024. All they need do is raise the subscription price a few bucks and it's in the black.

How is it you hear about D+ losing money but not know about the financial plan? Whatever your news sources, you need to change them.

Or, keep opining about stuff you know nothing about.

LOL, they gave it to me for a $1.99 (each month) for 3 months. You don't know this because they don't give the deals to loyalists, that will buy anything Disney gives them.

Plus people get it for free with certain packages, I forget which ones and I don't care to look it up.

 

[Brer Panther]

I’ve heard of this before, but haven’t come across an extensive detailing. Anyone know where I can find one?

I highly recommend reading this:

Wish Upon a Blue Sky, The Top 30 Disney Attractions Never Built #23: The Atlantis Expedition, The Atlantean Encounter, and The Great Flag Incident of May 15th, 1998

"Cynthia, we need a new submarine adventure but we have a budget of $38. What should we do?" "Give me a K-Lot bus and some paint. We go...

www.parkscope.net

 

[MisterPenguin]

LOL, they gave it to me for a $1.99 (each month) for 3 months. You don't know this because they don't give the deals to loyalists, that will buy anything Disney gives them.

Plus people get it for free with certain packages, I forget which one and I don't care to look it up.

lol, I know D+'s ARPU.

Also, if you're getting it 'for free' in some deal, it's not free. Its cost is baked into the cost of the package you're paying for.

And finally, none of this discounts your incorrect claim that D+ is losing money as if it is a failed operation.

Also, as a loyalist, I got the original 3 year deal. And when the upper tier of Hulu was bundled with D+, I got another deal and am paying less for that bundle than most others.

lol

 

[Touchdown]

It’s happening right now, TBA is mainly based on the D+ series that hasn’t debuted yet.

 

[DisneyNeighbor]

If Disney doesn't find a way to use all of the land behind big thunder around the river and back to the haunted mansion Universal is going to hurt them badly. They can't just use a little piece of land behind big thunder and make it a dead end.
How about they build a huge villain castle in the back and incorporate the fireworks launches into the building? Build it out of concrete so it doesn't catch fire and you can launch fireworks and have pyro during a villain show.

 

[Tha Realest]

If Disney doesn't find a way to use all of the land behind big thunder around the river and back to the haunted mansion Universal is going to hurt them badly. They can't just use a little piece of land behind big thunder and make it a dead end.
How about they build a huge villain castle in the back and incorporate the fireworks launches into the building? Build it out of concrete so it doesn't catch fire and you can launch fireworks and have pyro during a villain show.

Does WDW have the ability to handle all that additional capacity at MK? I have to imagine the bottlenecks with the buses and TTC would be nightmares, especially with the brittle backbone of the monorail system

 

[DisneyNeighbor]

Does WDW have the ability to handle all that additional capacity at MK? I have to imagine the bottlenecks with the buses and TTC would be nightmares, especially with the brittle backbone of the monorail syst

Keep the Villians park open later every night, It will keep more guests in the park later spreading out the exit! Or just have Maleficent hold them hostage!

 

[drizgirl]

If Disney doesn't find a way to use all of the land behind big thunder around the river and back to the haunted mansion Universal is going to hurt them badly. They can't just use a little piece of land behind big thunder and make it a dead end.
How about they build a huge villain castle in the back and incorporate the fireworks launches into the building? Build it out of concrete so it doesn't catch fire and you can launch fireworks and have pyro during a villain show.

You mean back by the Big Thunder Frontierland Annex?

They should put in some quick service, some picnic tables and a petting zoo. I hear there are some unemployed goats out west.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If Disney doesn't find a way to use all of the land behind big thunder around the river and back to the haunted mansion Universal is going to hurt them badly.

Disney was not hurt badly with the opening of USO, IoA, nor Sea World. A new park with the same number of rides as EPCOT (and absent a big draw that is World Showcase) isn't going to hurt Disney badly. Especially the MK, which runs out of reservations on three day weekends. They're turning people away.

Adding attractions have the effect of being attractive. As in, attracting larger crowds. There's only so much space on the monorails and ferries and Main Street for more crowds. Increasing capacity with new mini-lands means overburdening infrastructure.

If the area beyond RoA isn't used, the other three parks have plenty of space for a lot of expansion. In fact, they shouldn't, IMO, put any more rides in MK. Put more in the other three parks to make them an even bigger draw.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I agree - I really think the best way to fix the capacity issues at MK is to build enticing attractions at the other gates. It’s wild to me that this doesn’t seem to be their number 1 priority at WDW.

I don’t understand why this is a common sentiment.

An expansion at Hollywood Studios brings guests to the resort, as a whole, not just Hollywood Studios. Disproportionately, it brings them to Hollywood Studios, but Magic Kingdom’s attendance doesn’t fall because the attendance boost at Hollywood isn’t cannibalistic. If you want to better fit capacity to demand at a particular park, adding capacity to that specific park will do that most efficiently.

Adding expansions to other parks will likely increase attendance, making it worse than it was before the expansion (because, in the end, the park still has nothing to show for it).

3 of the 4 parks need capacity, 1 of the 4 parks need quality improvements. You could argue that DAK needs another headliner but the big thing needed at every park but EPCOT is ride capacity.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Disney was not hurt badly with the opening of USO, IoA, nor Sea World. A new park with the same number of rides as EPCOT (and absent a big draw that is World Showcase) isn't going to hurt Disney badly. Especially the MK, which runs out of reservations on three day weekends. They're turning people away.

Adding attractions have the effect of being attractive. As in, attracting larger crowds. There's only so much space on the monorails and ferries and Main Street for more crowds. Increasing capacity with new mini-lands means overburdening infrastructure.

If the area beyond RoA isn't used, the other three parks have plenty of space for a lot of expansion. In fact, they shouldn't, IMO, put any more rides in MK. Put more in the other three parks to make them an even bigger draw.

Disney was hurt by Harry Potter. Since then, Universal has continued to gain ground forcing a big attraction building boom by Disney. I'm looking forward to Disney's delayed response to Epic Universe in 2029.

 

[SplashJacket]

Adding attractions have the effect of being attractive. As in, attracting larger crowds. There's only so much space on the monorails and ferries and Main Street for more crowds. Increasing capacity with new mini-lands means overburdening infrastructure.

Longer park hours could alleviate the stress on the infrastructure by staggering arrivals and departures

 

[Touchdown]

Disney was not hurt badly with the opening of USO, IoA, nor Sea World. A new park with the same number of rides as EPCOT (and absent a big draw that is World Showcase) isn't going to hurt Disney badly. Especially the MK, which runs out of reservations on three day weekends. They're turning people away.

Adding attractions have the effect of being attractive. As in, attracting larger crowds. There's only so much space on the monorails and ferries and Main Street for more crowds. Increasing capacity with new mini-lands means overburdening infrastructure.

If the area beyond RoA isn't used, the other three parks have plenty of space for a lot of expansion. In fact, they shouldn't, IMO, put any more rides in MK. Put more in the other three parks to make them an even bigger draw.

Every park that’s opened so far has been a one day loss. Universal opening their third park is a huge step, because as WDW knows, 3 parks elevates Universal to a full week trip. No more day or two to go to MK. I think it’s going to hit harder then you think.