News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

James Alucobond

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And it shall be called…Latinx (+villains!) Land.
Jokes aside, I think going the route of it being a "square" like Liberty Square rather than a Land would be preferable. Off the top of my head, I might suggest something like Plaza Encantada (perhaps too on-the-nose relative to Encanto), Plaza Dorada, Plaza del Sol, etc., but I'm sure someone would come up with something appropriate if they gave it some thought.
 

UNCgolf

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I agree with you. I don’t understand the desire to determine the worthiness of an IP for a “land/area” based on how well a movie did. To me, the better way to decide is “would this IP make a great attraction and themed place?”

Also, I’m not sure I understand how people are differentiating between lands, sub-lands, and areas. If it’s a ride and a shop themed alike, is it an area? What makes it a “land?”

I would call it a land when Disney delineates it as such. As in, Disney specifically labels it as something separate from other areas. Galaxy's Edge, Pandora, and Toy Story Land are clearly considered their own separate thing whereas the Beauty and the Beast area is simply part of Fantasyland.

Regardless, I agree with your statement that the determining factor should be would this make a great attraction and/or themed place. I don't believe current Disney thinks that way, though.
 
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GhostHost1000

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Disney made an announcement and I don't think a lot of people really understand what "blue sky" means so yeah, I think a lot actually do.
That announcement was so “we really don’t know what to say but we have to give the attendees something to talk about so let’s throw this crazy idea out there even tho it’s about as likely to happen as Hyperion Wharf, the magic kingdom theater, and the play pavilion”
 

celluloid

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That announcement was so “we really don’t know what to say but we have to give the attendees something to talk about so let’s throw this crazy idea out there even tho it’s about as likely to happen as Hyperion Wharf, the magic kingdom theater, and the play pavilion”

Yeah. It is wild to think we know more about Universal's new Texas theme park resort than we do that vague concept based on two decently performing movies that could open anywhere from five to ten years, but most likely never.
 

MrPromey

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This has been a complaint of mine for a while. While it can fit the theme of the land (ex. Fantasyland), it doesn't need massive exterior rockwork and everything else. People will like a ride if it's a great ride period.

The Little Mermaid didn't need fancy rockwork in California just like Winnie the Pooh, Peter Pan and It's a Small World didn't need fancy exclusively themed areas to exist as popular rides here, either.

... and the Original It's a Small World basically does have it's own major area carved out in DL for it but I don't recall ever seeing a complaint that ours should have been like that.*

*I'm sure someone somewhere was unhappy at some point but nobody's belaboring that, today and ours is tangibly better in its own way by not being a flat flume.
 
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Skibum1970

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The Little Mermaid didn't need fancy rockwork in California just like Winnie the Pooh, Peter Pan and It's a Small World didn't need fancy exclusively themed areas to exist as popular rides, either.

... and the Original It's a Small World basically does have it's own major area carved out in DL for it but I don't recall ever seeing a complaint that ours should have been.*

*I'm sure someone somewhere was unhappy at some point but nobody's belaboring that, today and ours is tangibly better in its own way by not being a flat flume.

I used to think about how a Pixar Lane could look. The guest walkways would look like a street and then "sidewalks" would take you to the show buildings which would each have some theming to fit the ride (ex. A Brave ride would have an exterior of the house to look like a castle. The ride buildings would be hidden exactly how the Haunted Mansion ride building is hidden.
 

MrPromey

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Yeah. It is wild to think we know more about Universal's new Texas theme park resort than we do that vague concept based on two decently performing movies that could open anywhere from five to ten years, but most likely never.

What I don't get is why the whole Villains Land thing seems to be getting no attention.

While I think these two moves would be really mediocre things to devote entire new lands to in the MK, I think the Villains concept has enough to be a whole other park and if they actually filled it decently from the start, I believe, it would be the concept that could pull people away from the MK far better than anything they have now in the other three parks.

As a sort of a dark mirror image to the MK (Malificant's castle, maybe?), they could basically still use IP from any movie they wanted but have full license to lean more heavily into thrill-ride territory than is really appropriate for MK.

It would be a major draw for the childless young-adult crowd that already seems to want to see MK rebuilt exclusively for their generation with less emphasis on the kiddos.

The theme would naturally discourage* many people with young children so more attractions with height requirements wouldn't be a problem and they'd have a solid foundation to compete with the kind of generally more thrilling/jossling attractions Universal offers.

Best of all for Disney and a lot of people on this forum, they could serve alcohol from every nook and cranny without breaking any long-held taboos. It would thematically make sense in this park.

Heck, Coco's Land of the Dead would fit in better there in an Ernesto de la Cruz attraction than a Day of the Dead land would fit in with Tomorrowland, Adventurland, Fantasyland and Fronteirland, don't you think?

But beyond that, any Disney movie with a Villain could work here. The attraction doesn't even need to be a thrill ride. The original Snow White's Scary Adventure would have fit into what I'm thinking, perfectly.

They could do an alternative Halloween party geared toward older crowds, they could have their own christmas party with a Jack Skelington theme and I don't think that would hurt business at the MK parties which already sell out, anyway because I'd imagine there are a lot of people who would shell out to get tickets for BOTH up-sells while they're there.

It would also have limitless expansion potential without having to figure out how to problematically stick things that don't belong into it.

I mean, has nobody actually stopped to consider Moana in AK? So... Marry Poppin's possibly gets an attraction in World Showcase but the attraction celebrating Polynesian culture and and legend gets put in a park about animals?

That's supposed to be okay?

*discourage but of course, not eliminate
 
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JenniferS

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We set up a poll on twitter (sorry, had to edit becuase it embedded the tweet)

Would you rather see:
  • Build a new expansion at MK beyond Thunder Mountain
  • Build a new land connecting RRC and SW Launch Bay at DHS
  • Expand Pandora AND build a replacement for Dinoland
  • Add two new countries to EPCOT
To your point - they need to do all four of these things with maybe the exception of EPCOT. AK needs more to justify a park ticket but no addition to DHS/AK/EPCOT is going to pull people out of MK so MK desperately needs NEW capacity on any ticket level and DHS is a disaster when it comes to park design and an additional area to create a loop in the park is necessary (along with capacity).

I agree with the AK part, but it all needs to happen.
Epcot doesn’t need two new countries, as much as at least two of its existing countries need a ride.

The last thing we need are two new countries consisting of nothing but dining and shopping.
 

doctornick

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Not to speak on the specific concepts/themes but I do think that building on the north side of the RoA and connecting Frontierland and Liberty Sq on the other side is a great idea for MK. would really be helpful for expanding space and improving guest flow (especially during parades). The Splash/BTMRR dead end is terrible.

I wouldn’t focus on MK on the “next” expansion if I were TDO, as DAK and DHS need additional stuff more, but I heartily approve of the idea of going “beyond Thunder Mountain” as a concept. And I’m happy to note that insiders here have confirmed that doing so is truly being considered.
 

doctornick

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Epcot doesn’t need two new countries, as much as at least two of its existing countries need a ride.

The last thing we need are two new countries consisting of nothing but dining and shopping.
Absolutely. They really need more attractions in World Showcase at existing pavilions way more than they need additional countries. I think at least “fill in the gaps” between the existing attractions and put rides in Germany or Italy and another in Japan.

Ideally every country should have at least one major attraction (they don’t all have to be rides but most should be).
 

JenniferS

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I don't know that they all need a ride, but it would be nice if they all had at least some attraction like the films at China and Canada (and France, although France obviously has Ratatouille now too). Germany, Italy, Japan, Morocco, and the UK don't have any kind of attraction whatsoever.
O Canada is used for festival space half of the year it seems, and the beautiful IdF has been highjacked by the silly singalong for most of the day/early evening.
 

_caleb

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That announcement was so “we really don’t know what to say but we have to give the attendees something to talk about so let’s throw this crazy idea out there even tho it’s about as likely to happen as Hyperion Wharf, the magic kingdom theater, and the play pavilion”
They didn’t try to hide the fact that it was nothing more than engaging in some fun “what if?” with fans. I thought it was a god way to engage at a fan convention. Fans love to armchair imagineer (though I really don’t get the appeal of the “imagineering” boards on this site)—we’ve been talking about the Beyond Big Thunder presentation for 56 pages now!

Why not have actual Imagineers join in the fun?
 

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