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Advisable Joseph

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I saw in Bob’s interview he mentioned “almost everything” going forward will be based on current IP. I feel like this makes a Villain land less likely…villains aren’t really an IP they focus on and they seldom make new, iconic villains any more. Gothel isn’t even featured in the new Rapunzel ride! She just leaves her tower and starts a new life with a mysterious man. It’s a Lifetime movie.

And we know about Facilier in TBA.
I don't think Iger said the IP had to be new, per se:


He mentioned the IP in the parks was very old for a long time, but I don't see anything downplaying classic but relevant IP.
 

Brer Panther

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If used properly, screens are just another tool in the Imagineering toolbox. I see no reason to tell an Imagineer that they can't use this specific tool in MK.
Yes, if used PROPERLY. Today's WDI doesn't use them properly, and that's how we get rides like Remy's Ratatouille Adventure.
Gothel isn’t even featured in the new Rapunzel ride!

And we know about Facilier in TBA.
And Gaston isn't in the Beauty and the Beast ride. There's a very strange trend going on of not having villains in dark rides. Then again, Captain Hook appears in the new Peter Pan ride in Tokyo, so...
 

SilentWindODoom

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And Gaston isn't in the Beauty and the Beast ride. There's a very strange trend going on of not having villains in dark rides. Then again, Captain Hook appears in the new Peter Pan ride in Tokyo, so...

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Although, similar to the Rapunzel ride, it seems to be trying to tell a specific story focused on the romance of two characters within a castle, which a tour through the tavern or village for either of his songs would fit less with. Is this a common Japanese thing?
 

ToTBellHop

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I don't think Iger said the IP had to be new, per se:


He mentioned the IP in the parks was very old for a long time, but I don't see anything downplaying classic but relevant IP.
All of the relevant classics get remakes so they will still have a modern release. I hope Black Cauldron isn’t on your bingo card cuz it’s a “nope”.
 

UNCgolf

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All of the relevant classics get remakes so they will still have a modern release. I hope Black Cauldron isn’t on your bingo card cuz it’s a “nope”.

They actually were supposed to be developing a live action version, although not the Disney Black Cauldron specifically (which was kind of a mishmash of two books). It was supposed to be a new adaptation of the full Chronicles of Prydain.

I assume that's dead, though, considering there hasn't been any mention of it in years.
 

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
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They actually were supposed to be developing a live action version, although not the Disney Black Cauldron specifically (which was kind of a mishmash of two books). It was supposed to be a new adaptation of the full Chronicles of Prydain.

I assume that's dead, though, considering there hasn't been any mention of it in years.

A show on Disney+ would be epic.
 

ToTBellHop

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They actually were supposed to be developing a live action version, although not the Disney Black Cauldron specifically (which was kind of a mishmash of two books). It was supposed to be a new adaptation of the full Chronicles of Prydain.

I assume that's dead, though, considering there hasn't been any mention of it in years.
Well that could’ve been cool. Pity. At least we are getting the Snow White remake we’ve been asking for!!!!!!11
 

DisneyHead123

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There's a very strange trend going on of not having villains in dark rides.
I find the slow decline of the Disney Villain interesting philosophically.

Before I went to Disney last time, I saw a loooong 1 star review of Storybook Dining from someone who said their son was terrified of the Queen and having nightmares. Don't know if it was coincidence or not, but when we got there, they had changed it so the Queen doesn't come to your table and you receive a summons to go see her at the front of the restaurant.

From around age 2-4 (that seems to be the peak, at least,) kids seem like they go through a really intense fear of spooky things. It's a short period overall, but also the time when the doting parents of a preschooler could be scared away from an extravagant, princess meal, Bippity Boppity Boutique, dress shopping laden vacation because there kiddo is screaming about "bad guys" at a park or meal or whatever.

Also, I think the idea of villains and good guys is seen as too tribal at the moment. Not sure if that's a permanent change or a temporary pendulum swing, but right now the hope seems to be for something more utopian - we all learn to understand each other and get along, no one is 'bad', just misunderstood. From Frozen onwards, in Disney / Pixar movies the focus is more about strengthening the community vs. a single hero and heroine.
 

Purduevian

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How is Delores a villain?
Remember her power is super hearing... "She can hear this whole chorus a mile away"
Sabotaging Isbella's love life
Bruno's prophecy for her was "The man of my dreams would be just out of reach.... Betrothed to another" The second time she sings it she includes the added lines "And I'm fine. And I'm fine. And I'm fine. And I'm fine." indicating she's not fine with this.
When Abuela asks if there is a date with Mariano for Isbella that nigh she replies "Tonight. He wants five babies" which shows a scared look on Isbella's face while Dolores gives her a smirk and a side eye.

At the proposal dinner, Dolores starts telling everyone that Mirabel found Bruno's vision, thus causing dinner to erupt in chaos.

Heartless exposure of Mirabel's lack of a gift
In the opening song, Mirabel is clearly uncomfortable telling the kids she doesn't have a gift... a song that Dolores heard all of. At the end of the song, she pops out of no where and says "Mirabel doesn't have a gift" shrugs and walks away.

Gaslighting Mirabel
Mirabel is made a fool at Antonio's gift ceremony when she claims the house is cracking. It is later shown that this is indeed true as Bruno has been patching the walls... Dolores can her a pin drop and an eye twitch, she would have heard the audible cracking of the house and could have backed up Mirabel but instead fainted ignorance.

She knows Bruno is in the walls and doesn't tell anyone!
In the song we don't talk about Bruno, she literally says "I can hear him now" also in the finale song "I knew he never left, I heard him every day" yet fails to mention that her mentally unstable uncle is in the walls and probably needs some help... for like a decade!

She is sad on the final Casita door...
Look at this door and tell me Dolores is happy that everything is back to normal...
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I rest my case... (Also, this isn't my theory, but I think it is super funny )
 

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