News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[Casper Gutman]

Mary poppins is being put on a pedestal as well, but would have been pilloried. Though the facade concept looked nice.

The concept there also needed to be a fantasyland busbar C ticket, not a carousel. It’s not hard for them to set an expectation of ‘this ride is like Snow White or Peter Pan’ from the get go.

Yeah, the problem with Poppins is that fans and imagineers have been discussing a Poppins dark ride for decades, so announcing a flat fell flat.

Bringing this back to BBTM, the Phase 1 Coco expansion needs some capacity eaters, perhaps a flat and a small show venue (actually, Coco would be ideal for a major show that integrates live actors, screens, and AAs, a sort of souped up version of the Genie show in Tokyo. But we're not getting that, so...)

 

[Casper Gutman]

On average roller coaster are only 2 minutes long. This is not an exclusive to Disney problem, it’s most roller coasters ever built. How long should it be? 90 seconds isn’t egregiously short by that metric.

Not sure where you're getting your "average" here. Even if we take that claim as true, Frozen is UNDER a minute, so its less then half as long as the "average" coaster. That's significant.

 

[Casper Gutman]

How much do you think this phenomenon stems from the original / second generation Imagineers having been steeped in other disciplines like animation layout and story development vs more modern Imagineers (who, nothing against them, but don’t necessarily come up from that sort of background).

I think that's a huge part of it. Dark rides are closely akin to film - you're just moving the audience instead of the camera. I'm sure there's a whole host of other reasons for the move away from scenes we could speculate about.

 

[MaximumEd]

Not sure where you're getting your "average" here. Even if we take that claim as true, Frozen is UNDER a minute, so its less then half as long as the "average" coaster. That's significant.

Did you mean Tron?

 

[Sectorkeeper71]

Not sure where you're getting your "average" here. Even if we take that claim as true, Frozen is UNDER a minute, so its less then half as long as the "average" coaster. That's significant.

I did some quick google searches which tell me for Disney rides, Everest is about 3.5 min, thunder mountain Florida about the same, space mountain and cosmic rewind just under 3, and seven dwarfs is about 2.5. Rock n roller coaster is roughly 1.5 min of actual coaster time and tron only a minute. Just for some perspective

 

[ToTBellHop]

Guardians is a well-paced experience. Hagrid's is good, and Velocicoaster is my current #1. SDMT is iffy and Tron is offensively short. The gravity building has plenty of room for a longer layout. With the financial outlay of that project, the ride experience itself is a miss.

My only guess on why TRON is so short is that the ride system would get uncomfortable if it were much longer. I’d say, in response, “pick a more comfortable ride vehicle” but it really needed to be a true bike coaster unlike Hagrid’s.

Had the time of my life on Velocicoaster in February in pouring rain. It was stupid heavy rain that felt like needles to the face and I was giggling like a 6 year old the whole time. It has an outstanding ride layout. I challenge them to do better with Starfall Racers. That will be a challenge but the planned near misses should increase the fun as long as guests don’t ruin it. Again.

 

[Sectorkeeper71]

I challenge them to to better with Starfall Racers. That will be a challenge but the planned near misses should increase the fun as long as guests don’t ruin it. Again.

With how they do it with the lockers and metal detectors now, I think we should be ok. But I’ll never count out the stupidity of people to not follow the rules and ruin a good thing for everyone

 

[ToTBellHop]

With how they do it with the lockers and metal detectors now, I think we should be ok. But I’ll never count out the stupidity of people to not follow the rules and ruin a good thing for everyone

I don’t trust people not to throw chicken nuggets between trains……..

 

[BrianLo]

Yeah, the problem with Poppins is that fans and imagineers have been discussing a Poppins dark ride for decades, so announcing a flat fell flat.

Bringing this back to BBTM, the Phase 1 Coco expansion needs some capacity eaters, perhaps a flat and a small show venue (actually, Coco would be ideal for a major show that integrates live actors, screens, and AAs, a sort of souped up version of the Genie show in Tokyo. But we're not getting that, so...)

Yes, I'm interested in what Coco morphs into actually. We're left picturing the D23 vague concept with Encanto cut away, but if it's meant to stand semi on its own as the first phase, I'd sort of expect a little more to it. Unless BBTM is still structured Coco, Phase 2, Villains. But I'm not clear on that with what everyone is saying. At the very least some of the street entertainment. The DCA Three Kings thing is very nice.

The secret to the theatre attractions is they need to crack the code on having the ride infrastructure fully pull out of the space and another one insert itself, so that the theatres are being more frequently cycled and don't sit unused for an entire unload/load cycle.

I mean... Walt did crack that in a different non-ride format with Carousel of Progress. Millennium Falcon does in a very personal sense, but for the IMAX type rides.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

So if Coco attractions come to MK and DAK, that means Mexico will be represented in 3 of the 4 parks. I guess that means Gran Fiesta is safe for the foreseeable future

 

[The Leader of the Club]

So if Coco attractions come to MK and DAK, that means Mexico will be represented in 3 of the 4 parks. I guess that means Gran Fiesta is safe for the foreseeable future

Time to bring the Beverly Hills Chihuahua experience to DHS!

 

[Advisable Joseph]

My only guess on why TRON is so short is that the ride system would get uncomfortable if it were much longer. I’d say, in response, “pick a more comfortable ride vehicle” but it really needed to be a true bike coaster unlike Hagrid’s.

Since people aren't that upset on Yelp and so on, I think they take the lightcycle concept into account. Anyway, if it was a real problem, Shanghai Disney would have already seen it.

The length seems to be more of an online shibboleth.

 

[DisneyDodo]

So if Coco attractions come to MK and DAK, that means Mexico will be represented in 3 of the 4 parks. I guess that means Gran Fiesta is safe for the foreseeable future

If you had told me 2 years ago that Coco would be coming to 2 parks, neither of which is Epcot, I would have been quite shocked.

(For the record, I’m skeptical that Coco will ultimately come to MK and DAK. If they move forward with the flying theater ride at MK, it makes sense to include the carousel and village there as well. Otherwise, they can keep those for TA and use a different IP for BBTM.)

 

[mattpeto]

If you had told me 2 years ago that Coco would be coming to 2 parks, neither of which is Epcot, I would have been quite shocked.

(For the record, I’m skeptical that Coco will ultimately come to MK and DAK. If they move forward with the flying theater ride at MK, it makes sense to include the carousel and village there as well. Otherwise, they can keep those for TA and use a different IP for BBTM.)

Skeptical here as well. Maybe the carousel just gets Tropical America generic themed.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

If you had told me 2 years ago that Coco would be coming to 2 parks, neither of which is Epcot, I would have been quite shocked.

(For the record, I’m skeptical that Coco will ultimately come to MK and DAK. If they move forward with the flying theater ride at MK, it makes sense to include the carousel and village there as well. Otherwise, they can keep those for TA and use a different IP for BBTM.)

MK doesn't do IP lands. And shouldn't.

 

[peter11435]

MK doesn't do IP lands. And shouldn't.

I think you mean… “hasn’t done”

 

[fgmnt]

Tron suffers from being the most recent roller coaster (major attraction?) to open between the two chains after Guardians, VC, and Hagrids. I don’t expect Disney to ever build a ride like Hagrids, much less VC, but it still bites.

I also think it would be a huge strategic error to not have a rollercoaster that tops Guardians as a capstone (not cornerstone) to this expansion.

 

[MaximumEd]

Tron suffers from being the most recent roller coaster (major attraction?) to open between the two chains after Guardians, VC, and Hagrids. I don’t expect Disney to ever build a ride like Hagrids, much less VC, but it still bites.

I also think it would be a huge strategic error to not have a rollercoaster that tops Guardians as a capstone (not cornerstone) to this expansion.

I would think Disney should and would build to the level of Hagrid’s and beyond when they do a coaster. Strange that they don’t, but they seem to put most of their coasters in a box and call it good. I’m assuming to avoid downtime due to weather, but I’m just guessing.

 

[JD80]

I don't think Disney needs any more coasters.

 

[donaldtoo]

I don't think Disney needs any more coasters.