News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[2bornot2be]

I really don’t see them filling in the river, The River Boat fits too much into a New Orleans theme. I can see the layout changing a little but the removal of the attraction or making it as short as people are saying just doesn’t seem like the direction they are headed.

 

[DisneyDodo]

That would be challenging because you have World Drive, the railroad and monorail spur tracks between the park and that land.

Oh absolutely, which is why they’re not expanding in that direction now. I’m talking more like 15 years down the road if they’ve run out of other options. It would be painful, but as time goes on and more low-hanging fruit gets picked, expansion will only become more and more expensive.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't fully disagree. However, how you "hide" or allow the out exit for Lilly Bell and build and tie in expansion north could be just as challenging or expensive. Who knows.

I will add, even if they fill in ROA(again not saying I am for this) you can maintain TSI as is, just have easier access to it. Or retheme it for some other type of walk around option, and free up more walkway to get to HM and such

Any sort of crossing could be more substantial since the Liberty Belle isn’t going to the dry dock with any sort of frequency. It could be something that requires a bit more work to move. Another option would be to just build a dry dock inside the park as exists on the other Rivers of America.

I am not disputing that, but that will interupt the view and area, it will also keep BTMRR seperate by a waterway from rest of the "desert" area - which makes no sense yes?

I am not saying they should, or are removing ROA, just saying I see the logic in that it could very well be the case.

Thunder Mesa at Disneyland Paris works rather well. The Disneyland Railroad there and at the original Disneyland both also feature the Grand Canyon Diorama.

 

[MisterPenguin]

My dear imagineers... where are you putting the train tracks?

 

[Disnutz311]

With Tom Sawyer Island being labeled “Troubled IP” I would not be surprised if they shave off land from both sides to make room for a path to go to the right of BTMR and south of HM. Taking ten feet from either side makes paths viable. Keeps river shape or at least barely shortened. Island becomes scenery you can see from the riverboat but no more trips there. Re-route the railroad to the very north and build that first to connect existing track for minimal downtime. Huge plot of land to build.

Boom. Not rocket science. That belongs in Tomorrowland.

 

[doctornick]

My dear imagineers... where are you putting the train tracks?

Wouldn’t they just remain where they are? Whatever gets built Beyond Thunder Mountain can be built outside the berm. Basically you’d just need one guest crossing from around HM to go under the tracks which isn’t a problem (just look at how DL did it) and it can work.

 

[DisneyNeighbor]

At most I could see doing bidges to TSI and stopping boat traffic. Filling in the water would be a large and pointless expense.

What about tunnels under the water. I don't think ROA is that deep.

 

[Mike S]

This is why I will never live in Florida.

Lived in Florida my whole life and have never had this happen.

Sad because I’m the type of crazy that would enjoy it

 

[doctornick]

What about tunnels under the water. I don't think ROA is that deep.

Why? Bridges over it would be cheaper and at grade with the existing guest areas. And tunnels in Florida with the water tables can certainly be done, but aren't as easy as with other types of land.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Still think its villains land, no clue what the others are. They would be dumb not to move on it, especially as the dark universe announcement was the one from the initial reveal that people who are outside of the theme park sphere were talking about (though mostly as the dark universe movie franchise was a punchline in filmtwitter and similar communities) and the villains are still big merch movers.

Also I'm surprised Disney is moving on multiple large scale projects at once after years of next to nothing in the pipeline. Hope construction is much faster than the Epcot redo.

The construction on Tiana is encouraging, though that is just a retheme. Hopefully with this not being in guest areas, it can be faster than the EPCOT embarrassment.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Wouldn’t they just remain where they are? Whatever gets built Beyond Thunder Mountain can be built outside the berm. Basically you’d just need one guest crossing from around HM to go under the tracks which isn’t a problem (just look at how DL did it) and it can work.

Exactly. They could also build a sizable boardwalk around BTMRR without disrupting the Liberty Belle much at all.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Screamscape has mentioned the Radiator Springs Racers rumor now, and he doesn't usually bring stuff up unless there's more than one rumor about it.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

From what I recall from years back of people here mocking their claims, Screamscape doesn't really have a good reputation at all either.

In fact, going back to posts from 2013, Screamscape got in on the old Carsland rumors back then as well. Claiming that DHS would receive a copy of the land without RSR. And in 2012, they claimed the monorail would be expanded. One of the more absurd claims was apparently back in 2010 when I think they mentioned Disney was considering purchasing Universal Studios in order to get the full rights to use all Marvel characters at WDW. They're highly unreliable outside of repeating existing rumors from others, and you can look up their old rumors by typing in "wdwmagic screamscape" to see the numerous topics that have been made based on their claims. An enormous amount of them are complete BS. Unless again it was something they picked up on more reputable people claiming.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Screamscape has mentioned the Radiator Springs Racers rumor now, and he doesn't usually bring stuff up unless there's more than one rumor about it.

I don’t really recall Screamscape having a good track record, but maybe I’m wrong

 

[lazyboy97o]

What about tunnels under the water. I don't think ROA is that deep.

You would waste a ton of space ramping people down and then back up.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You would waste a ton of space ramping people down and then back up.

What if we put in hydrolators at both ends?

 

[doctornick]

I don’t really recall Screamscape having a good track record, but maybe I’m wrong

Yeah, I think Screamscape is just an aggregator of rumors without any real verification. If something is on there, it might be real… or it could just be made up by the source site. I wouldn’t put much credence into something being on there as having significance

 

[PREMiERdrum]

There are two decidedly different, focused plans being leaked. They've both been discussed here.

I know which direction I think things will go. I don't know if the extra noise is meant as a red herring, or if there are still internal players jockeying for a final greenlight.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There are two decidedly different, focused plans being leaked. They've both been discussed here.

I know which direction I think things will go. I don't know if the extra noise is meant as a red herring, or if there are still internal players jockeying for a final greenlight.

Going by Insiders in the past, when there is jockeying between competing plans... nothing gets done.

 

[castlecake2.0]

The plot thickens