News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

MagicHappens1971

MagicHappens1971

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I think my biggest concern with this idea of getting rid of Fronteirland is the placement of Big Thunder. You would have to pass TBA and the new "New Orleans Square" with no thematic transition to this new "Dessert Land"
 
BlakeW39

BlakeW39

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I like New Orleans Square. I think Latinxland would be nice, although not not as nice as a western Frontierland is. The problem I have with this is why Frontierland has to be replaced at all. If you're gonna retheme a land, retheme Fantasyland!! That land is some serious TLC and NFL did almost nothing for it. Just made if feel aesthatically disorganized.
 
MagicHappens1971

MagicHappens1971

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BlakeW39 said:
I like New Orleans Square. I think Latinxland would be nice, although not not as nice as a western Frontierland is. The problem I have with this is why Frontierland has to be replaced at all. If you're gonna retheme a land, retheme Fantasyland!! That land is some serious TLC and NFL did almost nothing for it. Just made if feel aesthatically disorganized.
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It's their own way of doing damage control on the thematic inconsistency created by Tiana's Bayou Adventure. To be honest, I'm not surprised at all. When they basically announced that TBA was being designed to fit perfectly within New Orleans Square, I didn't think this was too far off.

Fantasyland really doesn't have many problems. My biggest gripe is the tent facades, and I do wish they would do something about that. Some serious TLC on PPF would be nice too but...
 
BlakeW39

BlakeW39

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MagicHappens1971 said:
It's their own way of doing damage control on the thematic inconsistency created by Tiana's Bayou Adventure. To be honest, I'm not surprised at all. When they basically announced that TBA was being designed to fit perfectly within New Orleans Square, I didn't think this was too far off.

Fantasyland really doesn't have many problems. My biggest gripe is the tent facades, and I do wish they would do something about that. Some serious TLC on PPF would be nice too but...
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I think Fantasyland lacks a cohesive artistic direction, and like you said the tent facades feel cheap. While I wouldn't want to see the land gone, I would like to see it redesigned and plussed, including at least one E-ticket.

And yeah, I appreciate that they're at least trying to make TBA fit into its surroundings, but that could have been done without retheming all of Frontierland around it. In LA and parts of eastern TX, swamps frequently border drier habitats geographically, including those of northeastern Mexico.
 
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Touchdown

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It goes without saying that Liberty Square-NO street-Frontierland-Mexico works geographically, as well as time wise (Thunder Mt could be brought a head 40 years to 1920s with some different equipment in the queue and nothing else changed.) This would fix the problem they caused.

And for everyone going Encanto in a desert? No it’s in a tropical forest, which are also in Mexico and Disney can transition theme like no other.
 
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scottieRoss

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
It sounds like they aren't planning on building as far East as you've labeled here - although I wish they would, because the best and most logical connection point to Villains Land is through Fantasyland by passing Gaston's Tavern. The second best thematic point would be past The Haunted Mansion, which sounds like part of the plan, but in my dreams Villains wraps all the way behind Mansion and Small World over to Gaston's.

Build some sort of spooky Cave system if you must, Disney. Go for that indoor/permanent nighttime idea that's always been bandied about if that's what it takes to prevent the land from closing during the Fireworks. A Villains Land in MK without a connection to Fantasyland - especially when such a solid thematic connection point already exists - would be a misstep.
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You will have to remember that behind fantasyland to the East of Small World show building is a MAJOR change in grade. That is the entrance to the untilidors. Buses and large trucks use what appears as open space to the East of Pinochio's Village House and west of Be Our Guest to turn around and unload for the untilidor structure. So the roadway and turnarounds are actually at true elevation. It is the one place where you can actually see that Magic Kingdom is built above the utilidor structure
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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scottieRoss said:
You will have to remember that behind fantasyland to the East of Small World show building is a MAJOR change in grade. That is the entrance to the untilidors. Buses and large trucks use what appears as open space to the East of Pinochio's Village House and west of Be Our Guest to turn around and unload for the untilidor structure. So the roadway and turnarounds are actually at true elevation. It is the one place where you can actually see that Magic Kingdom is built above the utilidor structure
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Oh I recall, and I'm sure they won't even touch that area, I just think it would make the most artistic and thematic sense for Villains to connect there.

While they certainly *could* find a way to work over that, I have no real expectation that they'll try. For many reasons.
 
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James Alucobond

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
Oh I recall, and I'm sure they won't even touch that area, I just think it would make the most artistic and thematic sense for Villains to connect there.

While they certainly *could* find a way to work over that, I have no real expectation that they'll try. For many reasons.
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I think more Sleepy Hollow could be an equally cool and thematically appropriate connection to Liberty Square, but I don’t imagine they’ll do that.
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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James Alucobond said:
I think more Sleepy Hollow could be an equally cool and thematically appropriate connection to Liberty Square, but I don’t imagine they’ll do that.
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Ideally they'd do both - a path around Haunted Mansion that gives us a Sleepy Hollow Attraction (or a Hocus Pocus one -- or both!), making a great transition from Liberty Square into Villains Land, and then another entrance next to Gaston's Tavern in New Fantasyland. Usually you've got more than one entrance to a land anyway, so that would solve that nicely.

Some sense could be made out of connecting Villains Land to the Coco area, given the mutual cemeteries of Coco and A Night on Bald Mountain (Chernabog's in the concept art, so I assume they plan on doing something with that), but connecting to Encanto would be less organic. Doesn't help that I really feel like Encanto belongs either in Adventureland or another park entirely rather than "Beyond Big Thunder".
 
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James Alucobond

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
Some sense could be made out of connecting Villains Land to the Coco area, given the mutual cemeteries of Coco and A Night on Bald Mountain (Chernabog's in the concept art, so I assume they plan on doing something with that), but connecting to Encanto would be less organic. Doesn't help that I really feel like Encanto belongs either in Adventureland or another park entirely rather than "Beyond Big Thunder".
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I still think passing through the cleft mountain from Encanto would be a cool transition, but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

Love the Salem/Hocus Pocus idea!
 
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Elijah Abrams

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"Beyond Big Thunder" is, at this point, guaranteed to be "New Frontierland" (plus Villains Land). Coco and Encanto are most likely headed for Epcot.
 

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