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Rumor BatB Rumor from Screamscape

mickEblu

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Fantasyland Theater?

Finally this huge amount of land was acknowledged, 7 pages later. Why remove any dark rides or Casey Jr/Storybookland when you have a theater right next door that has more square footage, and underutilized at that, than either of these spaces? The entire parade corridor at matterhorn mall is in need of a refresh. I expect any major fantasyland changes to take place over there (motorboat cruise/north tomorrowland, fantasyland theater, toontown.



I look at the size of that site and I see no reason why they couldn't add the beauty and the beast ride exclusively in the fantasyland theater space without having this project affect toontown at all. Any changes to toontown could come from other projects. This would also have the benefit of not requiring any level changes for the purpose of connecting the two properties on other sides of the railroad track.

Separating projects based on the property limitations it is taking over could set some design constraints, but it would encourage each space to be maximized, would force several different projects forward leading to more diversification, and it would increase capacity (combination of more new attractions alongside preservation of existing assets). The show building could fill out that site, and be entered from the same direction as the fantasyland theater today. The castle entrance/bridge found both in florida and tokyo (Tokyo's more life-size, fixing the unsuccessful forced perspective we see at be our guest) could face it's a small world facade to the east. Where I draw the line with this position is where the ride experience/square footage is changed, rather than just the area development (think Pooh). If the ride system/show building fit in the theater space, it would be worth making the necessary changes to the area development/preshow/queue.

If it did need to extend further north, I suppose that the height of the show building and its position further east in toontown would provide the added benefit of taking care of the site line issue that has emerged in that land, which is that the backstage/offstage super structure of galaxy's edge's spires are visible from within the land. The spire's visibility is arguably acceptable if you are of the camp that accepts that disney e ticket wienies are visible all over the park and that anything in the disney theme park bubble/onstage is fair game, nowhere near as serious an issue as having non-disney property intruding in the park, but the spires in question are bleeding visibility of infrastructure usually only visible backstage/outside of a park, like the backside of expedition everest.

And about screamscape, while I agree that they have been successful lately with Disneyland rumors, they used to publish literally anything you would email to them. I used to make stuff up as a teenager and send it to them and they would publish it. This was a long time ago, and I think their vetting of information has changed with the times. Today, forums, and social media have made it easier to find information, find its source, and scrutinize it.
I acknowledged it on page 2 but yeah I think the FL theatre is the obvious choice for BATB. I think the problem is our confidence with Disney is low at the moment so we see a rumor that sounds laughable and remember that so did GOTG taking over TOT. Granted, removing Pinocchio/ Snow White for a C ticket BATB is next level stupid and impossible when you consider the constraints.
 

lazyboy97o

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But as @nevol also said, it's also easier for forums and social media to find information and the source thereof and scrutinize it.
You are scrutinizing the messenger, not the actual source. This is no different. You determine whether or not Lance is credible.
 

mharrington

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You are scrutinizing the messenger, not the actual source. This is no different. You determine whether or not Lance is credible.
Considering that Screamscape has been right more often than not lately, I'm going to assume that this rumor is true as well, as ludicrous as it well is. I don't know what the source is, so I have to assume that Lance knows what he's talking about. I even tried to do a Google search on the source of the rumor and I found nothing.

I acknowledged it on page 2 but yeah I think the FL theatre is the obvious choice for BATB. I think the problem is our confidence with Disney is low at the moment so we see a rumor that sounds laughable and remember that so did GOTG taking over TOT. Granted, removing Pinocchio/ Snow White for a C ticket BATB is next level stupid and impossible when you consider the constraints.
Do you think they won't try, though? As you yourself admitted, our confidence in Disney is so low that we will believe any rumor we see, especially since they've been right more often than not. Also, a little off-topic, but would you consider Disneyland's Pooh ride a C ticket? That replaced another attraction as well, as we all know.
 

mickEblu

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Considering that Screamscape has been right more often than not lately, I'm going to assume that this rumor is true as well, as ludicrous as it well is. I don't know what the source is, so I have to assume that Lance knows what he's talking about. I even tried to do a Google search on the source of the rumor and I found nothing.



Do you think they won't try, though? As you yourself admitted, our confidence in Disney is so low that we will believe any rumor we see, especially since they've been right more often than not. Also, a little off-topic, but would you consider Disneyland's Pooh ride a C ticket? That replaced another attraction as well, as we all know.
No I don’t think it’s true but not because they respect Pinocchio or Snow White but because there is no room to do a BATB ride any justice and no room for the queue it would take to hold them. They aren’t eliminating planters everywhere to have the courtyard be one huge queue for BATB.

I consider Pooh a C ticket but what does that have to do with this? I’m not sure I’m following.
 

mharrington

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I consider Pooh a C ticket but what does that have to do with this? I’m not sure I’m following.
My point is, they've done a relatively subpar version of a dark ride before, in Pooh (Tokyo vs. California), by replacing a classic attraction, so who's to say they won't do it again?

In Pooh's case, it replaced the Country Bears, partly because, allegedly, of low crowds. The rumor states that one reason they have considered the Pinocchio/Snow White area is because they have relatively shorter wait times (i.e., fewer crowds) than Peter Pan.

Bottom line: they did it before, so who's to say they won't do it again?
 

D.Silentu

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As you say @mickEblu, after Guardians of the Galaxy it's difficult to classify a rumor as outrageous or plausible. So much has changed since I started following Disneyland forums. At that time, people were loathe to the idea of cloned attractions; now we desire them, case in point MRR and Batb. It seems now, that we only have confidence in rides that we can preview in some sense. The pendulum has swung back from where it was seven years ago, toward a mistrust of the quality Imagineering can provide, for a multitude of reasons.

People here have admitted feeling burned out and truthfully I'm starting to sense it too. Bob Iger is supposed to resign this year and perhaps that will be the beginning of a change. We shall see how long Chapek lasts then. At the moment, Disneyland seems to be better at subtraction than addition, and even when a substitution is made the gain seems debatable at best. It's said that Disneyland should not be a museum, but frankly my mind is starting to weigh that statement. I don't believe that they would take out two rides in Fantasyland, but I have been wrong before.
 

mickEblu

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As you say @mickEblu, after Guardians of the Galaxy it's difficult to classify a rumor as outrageous or plausible. So much has changed since I started following Disneyland forums. At that time, people were loathe to the idea of cloned attractions; now we desire them, case in point MRR and Batb. It seems now, that we only have confidence in rides that we can preview in some sense. The pendulum has swung back from where it was seven years ago, toward a mistrust of the quality Imagineering can provide, for a multitude of reasons.

People here have admitted feeling burned out and truthfully I'm starting to sense it too. Bob Iger is supposed to resign this year and perhaps that will be the beginning of a change. We shall see how long Chapek lasts then. At the moment, Disneyland seems to be better at subtraction than addition, and even when a substitution is made the gain seems debatable at best. It's said that Disneyland should not be a museum, but frankly my mind is starting to weigh that statement. I don't believe that they would take out two rides in Fantasyland, but I have been wrong before.
I agree with all of this but the rumored location is absurd. I would be a lot more scared if it was rumored to be going in Storybookland.
 

mickEblu

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My point is, they've done a relatively subpar version of a dark ride before, in Pooh (Tokyo vs. California), by replacing a classic attraction, so who's to say they won't do it again?

In Pooh's case, it replaced the Country Bears, partly because, allegedly, of low crowds. The rumor states that one reason they have considered the Pinocchio/Snow White area is because they have relatively shorter wait times (i.e., fewer crowds) than Peter Pan.

Bottom line: they did it before, so who's to say they won't do it again?
The biggest reason I believe it won’t happen is because of the space constraints of the rumored location and because of the total net gain not being worth the disruption. Not because it would be a subpar version of Tokyo’s.
 
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lazyboy97o

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My point is, they've done a relatively subpar version of a dark ride before, in Pooh (Tokyo vs. California), by replacing a classic attraction, so who's to say they won't do it again?

In Pooh's case, it replaced the Country Bears, partly because, allegedly, of low crowds. The rumor states that one reason they have considered the Pinocchio/Snow White area is because they have relatively shorter wait times (i.e., fewer crowds) than Peter Pan.

Bottom line: they did it before, so who's to say they won't do it again?
You’re taking one coincidence nearly 20 years ago and trying to make that into some sort of pattern. Winnie the Pooh rides were built at Disneyland and Magic Kingdom because at that time Winnie the Pooh topped Consumer Products’ merchandise sales. Paul Pressler wanted cheap Winnie the Pooh rides to sell merchandise.
 

Disney Irish

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As you say @mickEblu, after Guardians of the Galaxy it's difficult to classify a rumor as outrageous or plausible. So much has changed since I started following Disneyland forums. At that time, people were loathe to the idea of cloned attractions; now we desire them, case in point MRR and Batb. It seems now, that we only have confidence in rides that we can preview in some sense. The pendulum has swung back from where it was seven years ago, toward a mistrust of the quality Imagineering can provide, for a multitude of reasons.

People here have admitted feeling burned out and truthfully I'm starting to sense it too. Bob Iger is supposed to resign this year and perhaps that will be the beginning of a change. We shall see how long Chapek lasts then. At the moment, Disneyland seems to be better at subtraction than addition, and even when a substitution is made the gain seems debatable at best. It's said that Disneyland should not be a museum, but frankly my mind is starting to weigh that statement. I don't believe that they would take out two rides in Fantasyland, but I have been wrong before.
Iger is not resigning this year. That was the plan prior to the Fox acquisition. Iger will stay on after the merger is completed to allow for an easy transition. So expect him to stay around until 2021 at least.
 

mccgavin

Active Member
I've been thinking... If this were to happen I think it would be likely we'd also see a clone of Seven Dwarfs Mine Train alongside Frozen Ever After in the motor boat dock / Autotopia space. Adding SDMT would be a justification for removing Scary Adventures as Snow White would still have representation.

I'm not positive it would all fit there, but that feels like what Disney would attempt to do in this case scenario. I'm still hoping this isn't true at all though.
 

mickEblu

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I've been thinking... If this were to happen I think it would be likely we'd also see a clone of Seven Dwarfs Mine Train alongside Frozen Ever After in the motor boat dock / Autotopia space. Adding SDMT would be a justification for removing Scary Adventures as Snow White would still have representation.

I'm not positive it would all fit there, but that feels like what Disney would attempt to do in this case scenario. I'm still hoping this isn't true at all though.
The post has been disqualified on 1 count of using the word “Autotopia.” The Mom may let you off with a warning.
 

nevol

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I don't trust this rumor because there's no other trace of it online. When he posts disneyland stuff it is usually following another reliable source saying it somewhere else.

Best location for this is fantasyland theater. Because of that we don't trust disney actually do it. I think I'm all caught up now.
 
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