Avengers Endgame Spoiler Discussion

[Mike S]

Remember when George Lucas had that little effects house? The one that built that computer that Steve Jobs later bought to make computer cartoons?

Whatever happened to that effects house? Ya don’t hear much anymore

They make their own movies if you’re talking about Pixar.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They make their own movies if you’re talking about Pixar.

Pixar was built by industrial light and magic...which was created in a garage to shoot space scenes for Star Wars....

And did the biggest and best for 20 years and won every award. And hasn’t done much since.

I recommend a younger buck like you read up on them...the history is fascinating.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Good movie. I didn’t cry (only movie I can remember crying at in the theater is They Shall Not Grow Old) but it certainly was emotional seeing IM bite the dust (see what I did there?).

 

[Quinnmac000]

After my second viewing I also notice how Captain Marvel really feels like an odd one out. Nick Fury specifically calls her and she’s barely in the movie. There’s also barely any interaction with the other heroes and when there is any it’s always a bit confrontational until the big fight at the end. She really felt forced into the movie whereas everyone else nicely plays off one another and she only shows up when it’s convenient. I have no problem with the scene with all the girls getting together but the reasoning given for it doesn’t make any sense. When Peter hands the glove to Carol he asks “how are you going to get through all that?” The other girls come to help her get through the hoard of enemies and start taking some down but then literally one second later we see Carol fly right through an entire mass of them effortlessly. This is someone that needed “help?” I don’t buy it.

The way they built her up for this movie made me think we were in for some good expansion of her character but she was just a plot device to save Tony and Nebula and destroy Thanos’s ship. If this is all we got out of this I think they would’ve been better off introducing her after Endgame and giving her a different back story for getting her powers (since, you know, bye bye Space Stone). I enjoyed her solo film but in this one it was such a waste. If her next appearance in the MCU doesn’t give us any actual development for her I really question how she can be the new face of the franchise that’ll make people weep whenever she eventually bites the dust. People aren’t crying for Tony just because he’s Iron Man. They cry because he’s an insanely relatable flawed character that we fell in love with over his story arc.

According to Brie...all her lines and everything fit on one front and back page for Avengers

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Good movie. I didn’t cry (only movie I can remember crying at in the theater is They Shall Not Grow Old) but it certainly was emotional seeing IM bite the dust (see what I did there?).

You know...it’s been a rough week and I barely squeezed in a middle of the night showing...

But there are clips of key scenes all over the place...and I watched the significant ones today and I have to say that they are way more tear jerky than I thought.

When you see it the first time - you are following the narrative. When you watch it again - you drift and think about the context of what it means to the fans and the future.

I have two kids that have grown up on these now...mcu is their Star Wars. That’s a tear jerker.

And though it will be around for a longtime - it’s never gonna be the same.

 

[Mike S]

Pixar was built by industrial light and magic...which was created in a garage to shoot space scenes for Star Wars....

And did the biggest and best for 20 years and won every award. And hasn’t done much since.

I recommend a younger buck like you read up on them...the history is fascinating.

I’ve seen The Pixar Story I know what happened.

 

[mf1972]

saw it tonight & caught up with all the comments here. i can proudly post this:

 

[mf1972]

it was a lot of fun overall. i thought loki would’ve had more of a role in it after disappearing earlier. awesome battle at the end. it’s a shame to see it end

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve seen The Pixar Story I know what happened.

But you missed this one...it wasn’t about Pixar. It was about ILM kinda losing their way...but for another day

 

[Tony Perkis]

I think they shot her out of order and didn’t really know what the backstory was...so they hedged her portrayal in this movie. It also seems obvious the post credits in infinity was at the behest of Disney studios...not marvel.

I think there’s a bit of “agenda” at work there..:instead of letting it flow and doing what works. Very “lucasfilm” eque. That is NOT a compliment.

Here’s the behind the scenes. The original avengers are being retired because in real life - they’re actors that want to be paid.

But Disney needs marvel money...so they are forcing the “next gen” more than may work. I bet we are at the high water mark. If so - what a ride. A generational thing has been done regardless.

But they are kinda running this like a pro sports team - in my opinion.

They have a lot of weight on Brie Larson. She’s ok to this point...but next movies is huge.

And of course...here comes more reboots into the universe too. Wolverine on deck.

Can we please stop making baseless allegations regarding virtue signaling and such? It isn’t true with Star Wars, and it isn’t true with Marvel, no matter what some people choose to believe.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can we please stop making baseless allegations regarding virtue signaling and such? It isn’t true with Star Wars, and it isn’t true with Marvel, no matter what some people choose to believe.

It’s a matter of numbers - not virtue signaling. You are on a different thought train than I am.

 

[DisneyJayL]

According to Brie...all her lines and everything fit on one front and back page for Avengers

Must have been huge font.

 

[Princess Leia]

I’ve mentioned it before in one of the Captain Marvel threads, but I love her comics. Carol knows she has a pretty intense power, but chooses to hold back in day to day fights, because not everyone needs to be put down via proton blast. That said, she loves her team, and though the comics I have are mostly set in space, she loves Earth too.

Idk what happened here. They hyped up Captain Marvel for her own movie with the pager in Infinity War. Then that movie came out and hyped people up even more for Endgame. And then... we got her doing some very big things in Acts 1 & 3, and showing up as a hologram in Act 2 (that scene could still be considered Act 1, if we separate the acts like this: Post-Snap & Reactions; Time Heist; Snap is Reversed). There was a lot of hype built for her in this movie, and I hate that we didn’t get her in the Time Heist (would it have been so hard to write in another bottle of Pym Particles??). She could have been in NYC with Tony, Bruce, Scott, and Steve, or she could have been in space with Rhodey & Nebula, Thor & Rocket, or Nat & Clint (well, probably not that group). It’s a missed opportunity, and her placement in the marketing feels a little misleading.

Bringing me to someone else hyped up in the posters for this movie: Okoye. Is it clear now why Danai Gurira didn’t originally have her name in the top billing, but in the lower part of the posters with Gwyneth Paltrow and Jon Favreau? Yes. Apparently some international posters had Valkyrie instead of Okoye on them, and I kind of think they just wanted to switch out popular female characters. Like the last Avengers movie, Marvel didn’t know how big Black Panther was going to be, and by including Danai Gurira in American marketing (and on parts of the press tour), it seems as if Marvel wanted to tell people that hey, there is still a character from Wakanda in this movie!

I think they also used footage from Captain Marvel and Infinity War for Carol and Thor in their trailers and TV spots, not sure if that happened for any other character. Those were just two of the misleading trailer things I could think of. For a movie as big as this though, I am very glad that I remained pretty unspoiled. I knew going in that time travel was happening, Hawkeye became Ronin, and there were no post credits scenes, and that’s really it. I’d read theories of what would happen, but I didn’t really know what was true and what wasn’t. It wasn’t like Infinity War, where too much detail was released leading up to the film. Not knowing what was going to happen in Endgame was nice.

 

[hopemax]

Okay, I have to talk about the time travel / alternate timelines...

Yes, we enjoyed the movie, yes, we know you can't let your overall enjoyment of a time travel movie depend on how much they did or didn't mess up timelines, but it's also fun to play, "how well does it hold up with their own rules," for a little bit.

Returning the stones to the exact moment they were taken, supposedly removes the fork/branch in time. The Ancient One, during her discussion with Bruce, had a nice little visual display. Black line disappears, happy yellow lines proceed like they are supposed to. Steve returns the Power Stone. Power Stone alternate time line supposedly disappears. But isn't that the timeline with Thanos, his army, Gamora and our Nebula who show up to fight everyone in 2023 post-Hulk snap? Thanos and gang can't both never exist and fight in 2023, so what timeline are the 2023 fighters from?

Separately, the timelines regarding the 2012 stones. Space Stone is taken by Loki, can't be returned by Steve. He returns the 1970 Space Stone. But in theory, the Mind and Time Stones are returned to 2012. When The Ancient One gets her Time Stone back, is she simply okay with the Space Stone being somewhere else then where it ended up? It would seem that it being in a different place, and Loki doing who knows what, would change the timeline that she was so vested in protecting. Or was her timeline always the one where Loki ended up with the stone and goes and makes a TV show?

 

[DisneyJayL]

Plot holes for the future. I wonder how they will address it. I think that’s how they keep us around because this ending has hurt a lot of us. I’m kinda interested in where Marvel goes on from here.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Okay, I have to talk about the time travel / alternate timelines...

Yes, we enjoyed the movie, yes, we know you can't let your overall enjoyment of a time travel movie depend on how much they did or didn't mess up timelines, but it's also fun to play, "how well does it hold up with their own rules," for a little bit.

Returning the stones to the exact moment they were taken, supposedly removes the fork/branch in time. The Ancient One, during her discussion with Bruce, had a nice little visual display. Black line disappears, happy yellow lines proceed like they are supposed to. Steve returns the Power Stone. Power Stone alternate time line supposedly disappears. But isn't that the timeline with Thanos, his army, Gamora and our Nebula who show up to fight everyone in 2023 post-Hulk snap? Thanos and gang can't both never exist and fight in 2023, so what timeline are the 2023 fighters from?

Separately, the timelines regarding the 2012 stones. Space Stone is taken by Loki, can't be returned by Steve. He returns the 1970 Space Stone. But in theory, the Mind and Time Stones are returned to 2012. When The Ancient One gets her Time Stone back, is she simply okay with the Space Stone being somewhere else then where it ended up? It would seem that it being in a different place, and Loki doing who knows what, would change the timeline that she was so vested in protecting. Or was her timeline always the one where Loki ended up with the stone and goes and makes a TV show?

You can't change the past.

Until Loki returns because the past was changed.

Comic books.

 

[Tony Perkis]

I’ve mentioned it before in one of the Captain Marvel threads, but I love her comics. Carol knows she has a pretty intense power, but chooses to hold back in day to day fights, because not everyone needs to be put down via proton blast. That said, she loves her team, and though the comics I have are mostly set in space, she loves Earth too.

Idk what happened here. They hyped up Captain Marvel for her own movie with the pager in Infinity War. Then that movie came out and hyped people up even more for Endgame. And then... we got her doing some very big things in Acts 1 & 3, and showing up as a hologram in Act 2 (that scene could still be considered Act 1, if we separate the acts like this: Post-Snap & Reactions; Time Heist; Snap is Reversed). There was a lot of hype built for her in this movie, and I hate that we didn’t get her in the Time Heist (would it have been so hard to write in another bottle of Pym Particles??). She could have been in NYC with Tony, Bruce, Scott, and Steve, or she could have been in space with Rhodey & Nebula, Thor & Rocket, or Nat & Clint (well, probably not that group). It’s a missed opportunity, and her placement in the marketing feels a little misleading.

Bringing me to someone else hyped up in the posters for this movie: Okoye. Is it clear now why Danai Gurira didn’t originally have her name in the top billing, but in the lower part of the posters with Gwyneth Paltrow and Jon Favreau? Yes. Apparently some international posters had Valkyrie instead of Okoye on them, and I kind of think they just wanted to switch out popular female characters. Like the last Avengers movie, Marvel didn’t know how big Black Panther was going to be, and by including Danai Gurira in American marketing (and on parts of the press tour), it seems as if Marvel wanted to tell people that hey, there is still a character from Wakanda in this movie!

I think they also used footage from Captain Marvel and Infinity War for Carol and Thor in their trailers and TV spots, not sure if that happened for any other character. Those were just two of the misleading trailer things I could think of. For a movie as big as this though, I am very glad that I remained pretty unspoiled. I knew going in that time travel was happening, Hawkeye became Ronin, and there were no post credits scenes, and that’s really it. I’d read theories of what would happen, but I didn’t really know what was true and what wasn’t. It wasn’t like Infinity War, where too much detail was released leading up to the film. Not knowing what was going to happen in Endgame was nice.

Captain Marvel is Poochy from The Simpsons.

 

[Mike S]

You can't change the past.

Until Loki returns because the past was changed.

Comic books.

They didn’t change their own past. They affected another timeline different from their own.

As Hulk said, “your future can’t change your past.”

 

[flynnibus]

The sad part is going forward.... the studio is drunk on marvel cash... so they are going to keep trying as much as possible... even if they don’t have something great. No such thing as simply “taking a break”

 

[Tony Perkis]

The sad part is going forward.... the studio is drunk on marvel cash... so they are going to keep trying as much as possible... even if they don’t have something great. No such thing as simply “taking a break”

I’m not sure I agree with that.

What Marvel accomplished with this series is unprecedented, and will be very difficult to replicate. They have to be aware that Disney themselves owns a cautionary tale in Lucasfilm, so there is reason to believe they’ll show restraint, and with it beginning to look like, post Far From Home, they’ll be going forward with a more manageable 1 film per year rollout.