Model3 McQueen
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I found footage of WDI testing out the interactive queue elements of the new Spiderman ride.
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Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews
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Hatbox Ghostbuster
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...but he is. Winter Soldier is probably my least favorite Marvel hero (neck and neck with Hawkeye).
That being said, I thought Winter Soldier was the best middle movie of all the trilogies.
CosmicDuck
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I've been so upset about that initial news from a few days ago that I've actively avoided this discussion.
It is unbelievable to me that the biggest movie franchise of this generation, owned by the biggest name in theme parks, will open a decade late, with one attraction. Is that attraction at least an E-ticket? No, of course not, it's a screen-heavy C/D ticket.
If Universal had the theme park rights to Marvel Studios we would have seen another gate on both coasts by now.
I also like that the sole piece of "positive" news here is that at some point down the line, Disney has a VERY expensive VERY beautiful E-ticket avengers coaster planned. And, we promise guys, it's super cool and super fun you're gonna love it. Definitely going to put all my eggs in that basket. Not like Disney has a history of cancelling ambitious plans and there's no chance at all the economy will see any downturn before shovels even hit the dirt. At which point we'll be lucky if they move Goofy's Sky School over with an "ambitious" re-themeing to the Avengers.
You only get one chance to market a land. When Star Wars opens up to gangbuster crowds and there is a generation of kids who grew up on the Marvel Cinematic Universe nipping at the heels of Marvel Land opening in 2020, it's going to be a joke walking through those gates.
It is unbelievable to me that the biggest movie franchise of this generation, owned by the biggest name in theme parks, will open a decade late, with one attraction. Is that attraction at least an E-ticket? No, of course not, it's a screen-heavy C/D ticket.
If Universal had the theme park rights to Marvel Studios we would have seen another gate on both coasts by now.
I also like that the sole piece of "positive" news here is that at some point down the line, Disney has a VERY expensive VERY beautiful E-ticket avengers coaster planned. And, we promise guys, it's super cool and super fun you're gonna love it. Definitely going to put all my eggs in that basket. Not like Disney has a history of cancelling ambitious plans and there's no chance at all the economy will see any downturn before shovels even hit the dirt. At which point we'll be lucky if they move Goofy's Sky School over with an "ambitious" re-themeing to the Avengers.
You only get one chance to market a land. When Star Wars opens up to gangbuster crowds and there is a generation of kids who grew up on the Marvel Cinematic Universe nipping at the heels of Marvel Land opening in 2020, it's going to be a joke walking through those gates.
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CosmicDuck
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Have you had a chance to see/hear anything about the attraction itself? Does it look promising, not so much..etc.
I'm curious if this is going to be a straight Midway Mania lateral move (which I feel like we would be lucky to even get), or worse (Buzz). If I had to put money down I'd say we're looking at Midway Mania with a good queue, best case.
Ahh... they do, for several of their resorts... and they are also squandering them heavily.
CosmicDuck
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No they don't, that's why I was specific about saying Marvel Studios.
It's essentially the difference between owning the rights to Disney's The Little Mermaid and having the rights to Han's Christian Anderson's The Little Mermaid.
mickEblu
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I’m not sure what to expect TBH. It’s still Disney and I’m sure they want to showcase Marvel in a positive light (I think they really are proud of GOTG- which is scary) but these are the same people that gave us Pixar Pier recently. Not to mention the plans sound very uninspired to say the least. I’d like to believe that the ride system will be a little more advanced than TSMM and move in a way you would expect a Spider-man ride to move. I’d also like to believe the ride will have actual physical sets and a few AAs.
CosmicDuck
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Trust me I'd love to be optimistic about this but there's no track record to speak of yet. Marvel Studios merch is borderline non-existent in the Disney Parks. I think you're crazy to expect a few AA's, I think we get one at the absolute most either in the queue or at the very end. I think TP2000 is the one who mentioned this was a C/D ticket which is why I don't expect much physical set and animatronic wise.
And I will say I think GOTG is a great ride and an absolutely incredible (inner) makeover for a 6 month turnaround. I thought it was a great fix to a problem and I was willing to concede that being the first Marvel ride state-side, expecting an incredible land to follow. Whatever this is, is not that. I don't see Star Wars opening with a single mediocre attraction with the promise of better rides "to come"
CosmicDuck
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Also, while I'm being angry and rant-y I'll just drop this in here because I'm sure nobody else but me cares. Are we going to have to wait till 2020 for them to get rid of the awful, generic Spider-Man costume they have for the meet and greet? The guy has been in three movies already in his Marvel Studios suit and they're still using the version they found leftover from Party City.
I know they recently used a new one in Paris which isn't amazing but is still a vast improvement and at least reflects the movie version. If they're going to make Meet and Greets such a big part of the Marvel experience, the least they can do is update the suits to match the movies.
I know they recently used a new one in Paris which isn't amazing but is still a vast improvement and at least reflects the movie version. If they're going to make Meet and Greets such a big part of the Marvel experience, the least they can do is update the suits to match the movies.
CosmicDuck
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Alright, all done. Sorry, thanks for indulging me this is the only place I can voice these opinions without getting crazy looks from my co-workers.
D.Silentu
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Here you only get crazy looks from all of us sympathetic types. However, kidding aside, I wish to reiterate that I as far as I can tell we have too little information to substantiate our pessimism. Pixar Pier has left such a bitter aftertaste that is tainting our view of the future. The recent hotel circus hasn't helped morale either. I'm cautiously waiting to see what comes of all this and I believe it's reasonable to suppose that Disney is taking Marvel far more seriously that Pixar Pier.
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mickEblu
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And I’m the crazy one? What problem was there?
So if you like watching the Guardians on screens why are you worried about Spider-Man? Sounds like it’s right up your alley.
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I did see that, but the point stands. I still cannot connect the rest of your logic that they would be a superior steward, building out full theme parks. When they've done nothing recently with the base product.
Unfortunately, and I totally agree with you, this is all too reminiscent of the New Fantasyland Staged rollout. Its one thing in Hong Kong or Paris, where they are phased projects in a long series of projects. It's another where DCA needs to actually throw some punches to get back into good graces.
Model3 McQueen
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And what problem did M:BO fix, exactly?
CosmicDuck
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Sorry, I should have been more specific. The "problem" being that Chapek was astounded that they had been sitting on the Marvel Studios license for nearly a decade with literally zero Parks implementation. So he wanted a ride and he wanted it immediately.
That being the problem, for a 6 month turn-around into a Marvel attraction, I think GOTG:MB is pretty good. Great, even. And why wouldn't it be, it's built on the skeleton of a great ride. Yes, I love ToT and obviously I would have preferred them built a whole new ride somewhere else, like literally everybody else.
But if the scenario was, we're going to take a ride and turn it into something else in 6-months, then I think GOTG:MB was a good showing on behalf of WDI. Credit where credit is due.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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But, when they've already sat on a property treasure box for nearly a decade, why would the solution be to rush-fit something into the parks in 6 months? It seems a disproportionate response. Almost like their rationale was, "holy crap, its been 10 years since we've tried to do anything with Marvel, we NEED something in there in 6 months or else fans will revolt!"
CosmicDuck
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I understand but I still disagree on the first point. The general population can absolutely tell the difference between the generic Marvel comics license and the Marvel Studios one. The main point being, Universal fought for the rights to HP and ran with it. They're (usually) very quick to capitalize on any brand they have in their movie division for theme park implementation. I guarantee you that if they had Marvel Studios in their back-pocket, we would not be seeing the absolutely abysmal pace of development we're seeing at Disney. Disney has the luxury of sitting on a massive treasure trove of IP that is well loved, so they are very slow to act. They're also just slow. The generic Marvel Comics license that Universal has is only Marvel Studios adjacent, they don't have much incentive to prop that up, but they have a little which is why you're seeing rumors fly for an in-development Iron Man attraction.
But yeah, we're totally on the same page for the second point.
CosmicDuck
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From what I understand, that literally was the exact response. Excuse my ignorance, but I think Chapek came in believing that WDI couldn't turn around anything on a short-timeline. GoTG: MB and Pixar Fest are products of them trying to prove they can.
Please feel free to correct me, this is just what I've pieced together from insiders and friends within the company.
Model3 McQueen
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To each their own, but I wouldn't consider a lack of Marvel attractions at Disneyland a problem like Bobby did. The whole premise behind the hideous warehouse fortress powerplant was that it "came out of nowhere". An absolute joke of an excuse in regards to thematic integrity. Then they went even further by coming up with the logic @SSG said the imagineers used for Pixar Pier (seen below).
M:B is an awfully lazy reskin of a great attraction. The only redeeming quality is the raccoon animatronic.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Per a MiceChat article last year, it seemed that Pixar Pier was the "sticking it to Chapek", "WDI-can-turn-over-a-project-quickly-and-efficiently" project. It still just stinks of ironic short-sightedness.