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TROR

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It does matter actually because its not like he is ripped out of the MCU and erased from MCU history. He is still in the MCU today, its just going forward he won't be in future movies. Unless of course a deal is reached in the future, which it might be.

So they can continue to use him the promote MCU in the parks.
He’s not part of the MCU. Yes, the movies still exist (obviously), but he doesn’t exist anymore. He can’t show up again, can’t be mentioned in passing, can’t give an excuse why he’s not showing up anymore. He’s not part of the universe. He exists as much as Andrew Garfield’s or Toby Maguire’s. Tom Holland is old news.
 

Disney Irish

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He’s not part of the MCU. Yes, the movies still exist (obviously), but he doesn’t exist anymore. He can’t show up again, can’t be mentioned in passing, can’t give an excuse why he’s not showing up anymore. He’s not part of the universe. He exists as much as Andrew Garfield’s or Toby Maguire’s. Tom Holland is old news.
Not quite how it works. I'm not sure why you think he can't be mentioned in passing, unless you can find me where it states that.

What is already out is still part of the MCU, plain and simple. Feige will find a way to explain it when the time comes.
 

TROR

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Not quite how it works. I'm not sure why you think he can't be mentioned in passing, unless you can find me where it states that.

What is already out is still part of the MCU, plain and simple. Feige will find a way to explain it when the time comes.
Sony holds the rights. If he’s mentioned in the movies going forward, I’d reason Marvel would have to get permission and pay Sony. Sony is in charge of this.
 

Disney Irish

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Sony holds the rights. If he’s mentioned in the movies going forward, I’d reason Marvel would have to get permission and pay Sony. Sony is in charge of this.
Sony holds the films rights to the character, that is true. However being that he was already in the MCU, they can mention he went off to college or is off world somewhere and is unavailable. They can even do it in a glib reference, like what happened to that spider guy....

That is why I said its not quite how it works.
 

TROR

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Sony holds the films rights to the character, that is true. However being that he was already in the MCU, they can mention he went off to college or is off world somewhere and is unavailable. That is why I said its not quite how it works.
The character being mentioned in a film is Sony’s right. Replace Spider-Man with Batman in this scenario. Characters in the MCU can’t act as if Batman is a real character in the universe because they don’t have the rights to Batman. That’s the situation now with Spider-Man.
 

Disney Irish

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The character being mentioned in a film is Sony’s right. Replace Spider-Man with Batman in this scenario. Characters in the MCU can’t act as if Batman is a real character in the universe because they don’t have the rights to Batman. That’s the situation now with Spider-Man.
You missed the part where I said:

They can even do it in a glib reference, like what happened to that spider guy....

There are ways to mention him without a direct reference, even if I personally don't think that'd be an issue at this point. But it can be done in an indirect reference.
 

britain

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All true, @TROR , but @Disney Irish is just saying since Disney owns the theme parks rights to SpiderMan (I know, I know, not in Florida), and since the Marvel Theme Park Universe is more or less tracking along with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, then they could have Tom Holland SpiderMan in this attraction - heck they could have Tom Holland & Robert Downey Jr. in this attraction, and just set it before Stark dies.

The bigger issue is does Disney want to hurt Sony at all? Will they try to sabotage future Sony SpiderMan movies by NOT having Tom Holland in the attraction? Disney owns the merchandising rights too - what action figures will be made when the next Tom Holland movie comes out? Generic Spidey or Sony Spidey?
 

TROR

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All true, @TROR , but @Disney Irish is just saying since Disney owns the theme parks rights to SpiderMan (I know, I know, not in Florida), and since the Marvel Theme Park Universe is more or less tracking along with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, then they could have Tom Holland SpiderMan in this attraction - heck they could have Tom Holland & Robert Downey Jr. in this attraction, and just set it before Stark dies.

The bigger issue is does Disney want to hurt Sony at all? Will they try to sabotage future Sony SpiderMan movies by NOT having Tom Holland in the attraction? Disney owns the merchandising rights too - what action figures will be made when the next Tom Holland movie comes out? Generic Spidey or Sony Spidey?
Does Disney have the ability to include Holland as Spider-Man? Do they have the ability to include Garfield, Maguire, or the new Into the SpiderVerse in the parks if they want to? What really is the legal acceptance when taking something from another movie studio even if they have the theme park rights to the character?
 

britain

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Does Disney have the ability to include Holland as Spider-Man? Do they have the ability to include Garfield, Maguire, or the new Into the SpiderVerse in the parks if they want to? What really is the legal acceptance when taking something from another movie studio even if they have the theme park rights to the character?

Good questions! Would hiring Holland as voice be violating some contract? Could it be construed as trying to look like they own the films? If so, is that illegal?
 

HmmmmmMMMmm

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If Disney doesn't not get this deal with Sony fixed, I'd very much expect for a very generic Spiderman in the ride.... or for the ride to be replaced with something else (may we be so lucky to avoid Midway Mania 2.0).
 

TROR

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Good questions! Would hiring Holland as voice be violating some contract? Could it be construed as trying to look like they own the films? If so, is that illegal?
As far as I can comprehend, it’s the equivalent of if a company wanted to create a theme park attraction based off a character in the public domain. You can create a Peter Pan attraction, but you can’t use Disney’s Peter Pan to do it.
 

britain

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As far as I can comprehend, it’s the equivalent of if a company wanted to create a theme park attraction based off a character in the public domain. You can create a Peter Pan attraction, but you can’t use Disney’s Peter Pan to do it.

If that is indeed the case, I'm hoping they already negotiated things with Sony a year ago when this project got the greenlight. I'd like to see Tom in this attraction. It would be a shame to spend pre-show or ride time with generic SpiderMan - or some generic friend of SpiderMan. I don't mind Hondo Onaka at the Falcon, but again?
 

SteamboatJoe

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I think it would be smart to wait and see how this Spider-Man thing plays out. Not having a deal doesn't seem like good business for either side. Disney will want to use Spider-Man and Sony execs will have to realize that no one is going to want to see another Spider-Man re-boot especially sans any other Marvel character. He is now fully associated with The Avengers in the mind of the casual fan. Plus, Venom was apparently bad so why even bother?
 

TROR

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I think it would be smart to wait and see how this Spider-Man thing plays out. Not having a deal doesn't seem like good business for either side. Disney will want to use Spider-Man and Sony execs will have to realize that no one is going to want to see another Spider-Man re-boot especially sans any other Marvel character. He is now fully associated with The Avengers in the mind of the casual fan. Plus, Venom was apparently bad.
Sony doesn’t need to reboot Spider-Man. I believe they’re free to create Spider-Man 3 with Holland if they want to. Those are Sony movies, after all.
 

lazyboy97o

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Does Disney have the ability to include Holland as Spider-Man? Do they have the ability to include Garfield, Maguire, or the new Into the SpiderVerse in the parks if they want to? What really is the legal acceptance when taking something from another movie studio even if they have the theme park rights to the character?
The question is whether or not Sony holds any rights to derivative works or those were retained by Marvel way back in the 80s. Universal’s deals for Harry Potter, Men in Black and Transformers are all with the movie studios, so it is possible that Sony at least has some input on theme park attractions derived from their films. It’s also possible that Sony and Paramount, like Warner Bros., acquired the movie and theme parks rights. If Sony does have rights, it would likely be covered under the existing agreement and only hinder future attractions.
 

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