Avatar, Tron, Guardians, Star Wars, Marvel

[twilight mitsuk]

Just wait for swge

 

[Kman101]

Animal Kingdom is about man's relationship with nature primarily through the lense of animals and man made structures that have been run down and reclaimed by nature.
Pandora is about man's relationship with nature primarily through the lense of animals (fictional alien animals used as a tool to represent real life animal behaviors) and man made structures that have been run down and reclaimed by nature.​

Also, DAK was never meant as an educational park. There are educational elements and areas, but that was never meant as an overarching theme. Festival of the Lion King, Tough to be a Bug, Dinoasaur, Kali, and the safari all have roughly the same amount of an educational focus, if not less, than anything in Pandora.

You can hate the land. That is ok. You are perfectly ok having an opinion different than mine about Avatar. But if your argument is centered around the themes and purpose of DAK and Pandora, you should have at least some basic understanding of the themes and purpose of DAK and Pandora.

Thank you for this post!

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Animal Kingdom is about man's relationship with nature primarily through the lense of animals and man made structures that have been run down and reclaimed by nature.
Pandora is about man's relationship with nature primarily through the lense of animals (fictional alien animals used as a tool to represent real life animal behaviors) and man made structures that have been run down and reclaimed by nature.​

Also, DAK was never meant as an educational park. There are educational elements and areas, but that was never meant as an overarching theme. Festival of the Lion King, Tough to be a Bug, Dinoasaur, Kali, and the safari all have roughly the same amount of an educational focus, if not less, than anything in Pandora.

You can hate the land. That is ok. You are perfectly ok having an opinion different than mine about Avatar. But if your argument is centered around the themes and purpose of DAK and Pandora, you should have at least some basic understanding of the themes and purpose of DAK and Pandora.

Maybe you didn't see Avatar, but it's about capitalistic genocide.

And I actually like the land. That doesn't mean that it is in the right place. Or doesn't have the intellectual depth of a kiddie pool.

 

[BrianLo]

Maybe you didn't see Avatar, but it's about capitalistic genocide.

A movie can be about more than one thing. From the horses mouth:

Avatar has been called "without a doubt the most epic piece of environmental advocacy ever captured on celluloid.... The film hits all the important environmental talking-points—virgin rain forests threatened by wanton exploitation, indigenous peoples who have much to teach the developed world, a planet which functions as a collective, interconnected Gaia-istic organism, and evil corporate interests that are trying to destroy it all."[62] Cameron has spoken extensively with the media about the film's environmental message, saying that he envisioned Avatar as a broader metaphor of how we treat the natural world.[9][63][64] He said that he created Pandora as "a fictionalised fantasy version of what our world was like, before we started to pave it and build malls, and shopping centers. So it's really an evocation of the world we used to have."

 

[Stripes]

Maybe you didn't see Avatar, but it's about capitalistic genocide.

And I actually like the land. That doesn't mean that it is in the right place. Or doesn't have the intellectual depth of a kiddie pool.

If that's the only message you took away from Avatar, I think maybe you haven't seen it, or at the very least misunderstood it on a fairly simple level. And the movie has quite a lot of depth if you take the time analyze it. Or you can read this Wikipedia page, if you're too lazy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Avatar

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Isn't this thread in the wrong forum?

Armchair?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

If that's the only message you took away from Avatar, I think maybe you haven't seen it, or at the very least misunderstood it on a fairly simple level. And the movie has quite a lot of depth if you take the time analyze it. Or you can read this Wikipedia page, if you're too lazy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Avatar

It has loads of philosophical themes. Not very much biological or anthropological content.

Philosophy is not science or even fact related. And Avatar doesn't even explore the anthropology of philosophy such as Gaia, it's basically hippie drivel.

 

[Captain Neo]

The problem with putting all these IPs into the Studios Park is that they are all relatively similar Properties. It would turn DHS into one big Tomorrowland theme park and they would have to rename it Disney’s Sci-Fi Studio or something.
It’s better to divide them and blend them into the other parks.

Avatar is about conservation and protecting the natural world from out of control corporate industrialization which meshes well with the themes established by Joe Rhode for Animal Kingdom. Plus the area it takes up was always earmarked for fantasy/imaginary stuff and a decade prior was being considered for other movie Tie ins for Reign of Fire and Harry Potter.

Star Wars has had a presence at the Studios Park since day one and Star Tours has been one of the parks biggest draws for decades so it makes sense to build on that and build a full fledged Star Wars Land there.

Tron is about the digital realm and the ongoing advancements in computer technology, AI, and Vritual Reality so it absolutely makes sense in Tomorrowland. Certainly a far better fit then LILO & Stitch, Monsters Inc, Toy Story and the Indy Speedway. Like space travel, more sophisticated computer technology and virtual worlds are always going to be a part of our future.

Guardians of the Galaxy is at the end of the day a throw back to the 1980s and Disney has made Epcot Center a vintage relic of the 1980s so the two properties are a match made in heaven.

 

[jt04]

Maybe you didn't see Avatar, but it's about capitalistic genocide.

Isn't essentially every movie released these days?

So wrong and so b-o-r-i-n-g.

 

[eddie104]

Isn't this thread in the wrong forum?

Yes the mods need to move this to the parks general discussion because how does this have anything to do with rumors or park news.

 

[JohnD]

Six Flags

Nope. DC Comics and Loony Tunes. https://www.sixflags.com/overgeorgia/attractions/ride-list

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

To me the main goal of a theme park is to immerse you in themed environments. In the past they have provided immersion in generic environments like Forntierland or Adventurland, or specific movies though single rides. I think single IP lands are just the next step in immersion. Personally, Diagon Alley at Universal is my favorite part of any theme park I have visited, because it does such a great job at totally immersing you in the world of those movies. I also think Hogsmede, Cars Land, and Pandora are also great single IP lands. Although I haven't visited it in person, I think Toy Story Land misses the mark a bit since I don't think it's an environment that lends itself well to immersion.

Absolutely! Immersion is very important. I just worry if Disney and Universal know where to draw the line with how far they should take it. SWland when completed will be nearly half of DHS yet contain only 2 (3ish) rides. Is that justifed? In a park that's short on ride count. IDK. I do know that people who don't like Star Wars are less likely to visit that park when there are other parks with a larger variety of rides and ride options. Immersion is a nescesity but I feel like it should be used to enhance a ride experience and not the destination. I'm not sure Disney really* wants people calling Hollywood Studios "The Star Wars Park"

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Maybe you didn't see Avatar, but it's about capitalistic genocide.

And I actually like the land. That doesn't mean that it is in the right place. Or doesn't have the intellectual depth of a kiddie pool.

But does Av'Land have less intellectual depth than the rest of DAK? Less than RoL? Tree Awakenings? Kali?

Mind that I am quite enamoured by all of these examples, and even Pandora. I uphold DAK as the beacon of how a non-idiotified WDW could've developed in the modern age. But truly intellectually deep DAK isn't. Nor does it have to be, much as we might prefer otherwise. This is where I accept the limits of a Disney park. The maturity and respect for the guest consists more of choice of theme, of depth and layers of design, of a self-assured design that trusts in its own sophistication to tempt and enchant the guest.

 

[JohnD]

But does Av'Land have less intellectual depth than the rest of DAK? Less than RoL? Tree Awakenings? Kali?

It fits in AK better than Zootopia, that's for sure.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Ok guys, Wall.E has a much stronger philosophical message about conservation than Avatar, does it fit DAK?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

They replaced Pocahontas with Avatar. Kind of a lateral change when you think about it.



Then again, Pocahontas has been featured in 2 other WDW parks, so I guess you still could have stuck Avatar anywhere.

 

[danlb_2000]

Absolutely! Immersion is very important. I just worry if Disney and Universal know where to draw the line with how far they should take it. SWland when completed will be nearly half of DHS yet contain only 2 (3ish) rides. Is that justifed? In a park that's short on ride count. IDK. I do know that people who don't like Star Wars are less likely to visit that park when there are other parks with a larger variety of rides and ride options. Immersion is a nescesity but I feel like it should be used to enhance a ride experience and not the destination. I'm not sure Disney really* wants people calling Hollywood Studios "The Star Wars Park"

Star Wars Land won't be anywhere near half of DHS. Guest areas of DHS are bout 87 acers, Star Wars Land is only 14. Even if you include Star Tours and Launch Bay you aren't anywhere near half. I think Star Wars land is making better use of the land then what it replaced.

With that said, I do get concerned with it going to far. I especially feel this way with Universal. What they have now is great, and the replacement of Dragon Challenge was a good idea, but there are rumors of further expansion which I think it taking things to far.

 

[Kamikaze]

Every park has IPs. Practically 90% of every park consists of IPs.

Technically every single attraction is an IP. There is just this strange distinction among fans about what is an IP and its usually stuff that they don't think is 'Disney'.

 

[twebber55]

glad to see some are still fighting this fight

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Ok guys, Wall.E has a much stronger philosophical message about conservation than Avatar, does it fit DAK?

Conservativation is not what makes Pandora fit into DAK. Conservativation is one of many themes found in DAK but it is not what DAK is about. Conservativation is one of the many themes found in Pandora (and the Avatar movie, though I am focusing on the land) but it is not what Pandora is about.




While WALL-E with it's heavy focus on conservation does deal with mankind's relationship with nature. It does not do it through the lense of of animals and man made structures that have been run down and reclaimed by nature. Even the ruined city on Earth is just ruins with no nature and little if any wildlife. A land based on WALL-E could, hypothetically be made to fit in DAK. But the amount you would have to change it to fit thematically and visually would defeat the purpose of it.