DAK AVATAR progress

[twebber55]

Even the leaked plans appeared to show a system with a greater range of motion, hypothesized to possibly be Vekoma's Panoramic Flight Simulator.
http://vekoma.com/index.php/specialities-and-attractions/panoramic-flight-simulator

thanks for the link... i was thrown off by his coaster comment...how different do you think this flight simultor is compared to soarin?

wondering how much range this has

 

[lazyboy97o]

thanks for the link... i was thrown off by his coaster comment...how different do you think this flight simultor is compared to soarin?

The biggest difference is the range of motion. The Soarin' ride vehicles can move up or down whereas these have a greater range in multiple directions. I've never ridden one or seen numbers with a direct comparison.

 

[Tim_4]

That wasn't my intention, i'm sorry if anything I said indicated that I was claiming you were lying. I simply found it wise to not assume anything about the project until more of a consensus was reached on the matter. Not because anyone here is trying to mislead people, but because people tend to not always have the same source on the matter and one source may have more up to date info on something. But regardless, it wasn't you I was claiming was lying (or even your source in the matter), just whether the source was as up to date as Lee's. And it sounds like in this case, Lee's sources were the ones that were slightly older here. I'm relieved and happy that your information has a good chance of happening.

Regardless, yes it's good to know that Lee seems to agree that your sources know their stuff and thank you for keeping this topic interesting and updated with info. I'm actually very glad your information now has a solid chance of happening. Though Lee's comment about the C ticket being expendable still fills me with some worry. In the end, if something is cut then that will be the reason. Not because anyone here was wrong, it's just that Disney tends to slash the hell out of budgets and plans can change very quickly in the company.

Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head. Something could be 100% greenlit today and then cancelled tomorrow for no more complicated of a reason than Tom Staggs decided he doesn't like it.

 

[Tim_4]

Even the leaked plans appeared to show a system with a greater range of motion, hypothesized to possibly be Vekoma's Panoramic Flight Simulator.
http://vekoma.com/index.php/specialities-and-attractions/panoramic-flight-simulator

That looks more Soarin-esque than what I've heard. I'd speculate a greater similarity to the Vekoma Pandora's Box, though that's just wild conjecture on my part.

 

[Atomicmickey]

Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head. Something could be 100% greenlit today and then cancelled tomorrow for no more complicated of a reason than Tom Staggs decided he doesn't like it.

Tim, thanks for all the great info. Great to finally hear some tantalizing details.

I guess my question is more about infrastructure and acreage than the attractions. I'm wondering how much of a path and landscape buildout we're going to see. Everyone's talking about attractions, and not as much about the external "world" of Pandora. The attractions will be more effective if there is a large area of "Pandorean splendor" to walk around in. And--assuming this--lit up with bioluminescence at night. More than attractions, I find myself wanting to stroll around in a place like that . . . .

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

How are either of those things necessary? Are people not getting where they need to go? Are people dying because of transportation woes?

None of these changes is necessary.

They're necessary because they're unsustainable in the long term. Monorails are in disrepair and need to be upgraded/expanded, or replaced with a more efficient tracked system. Guests hate buses, yet they're the primary transportation mode and generate a constant stream of complaints. Buses are expensive to operate and a drain on resources.

How many times have you heard a guest complain that they HAD to have a ticket? "If only I could wear it on my wrist," said no one ever. How many times a day do guests kvetch about the inefficient and painfully unenjoyable bus system? It'd be impossible to count.

If they insist on building more hotels and providing transportation to their guests, at some point they are going to have completely overhaul the system. A one-time large investment would mitigate costs for years to come, but that's not something TDO can comprehend. Why spend some now and save for decades when we can not spend anything and spend more over time? MAGIC

 

[ToTBellHop]

They're necessary because they're unsustainable in the long term. Monorails are in disrepair and need to be upgraded/expanded, or replaced with a more efficient tracked system. Guests hate buses, yet they're the primary transportation mode and generate a constant stream of complaints. Buses are expensive to operate and a drain on resources.

How many times have you heard a guest complain that they HAD to have a ticket? "If only I could wear it on my wrist," said no one ever. How many times a day do guests kvetch about the inefficient and painfully unenjoyable bus system? It'd be impossible to count.

If they insist on building more hotels and providing transportation to their guests, at some point they are going to have completely overhaul the system. A one-time large investment would mitigate costs for years to come, but that's not something TDO can comprehend. Why spend some now and save for decades when we can not spend anything and spend more over time? MAGIC

Absolutely correct in every way. I assume current management thinks the required fixes will merely require a better road system, which they've been working on. The road system around WDW is certainly less than spectacular, but I'm sure we all agree they will need to do more than just add some extra lanes and ramps.

 

[twebber55]

That looks more Soarin-esque than what I've heard. I'd speculate a greater similarity to the Vekoma Pandora's Box, though that's just wild conjecture on my part.

I hope because that looks preety sweet

 

[AngryEyes]

They're necessary because they're unsustainable in the long term. Monorails are in disrepair and need to be upgraded/expanded, or replaced with a more efficient tracked system. Guests hate buses, yet they're the primary transportation mode and generate a constant stream of complaints. Buses are expensive to operate and a drain on resources.

How many times have you heard a guest complain that they HAD to have a ticket? "If only I could wear it on my wrist," said no one ever. How many times a day do guests kvetch about the inefficient and painfully unenjoyable bus system? It'd be impossible to count.

If they insist on building more hotels and providing transportation to their guests, at some point they are going to have completely overhaul the system. A one-time large investment would mitigate costs for years to come, but that's not something TDO can comprehend. Why spend some now and save for decades when we can not spend anything and spend more over time? MAGIC

I don't disagree that it would be nice to have an upgrade in transportation, which is really what you're saying. It's still an infrastructure expense and it's not keeping people from visiting nor is it causing death and mayhem for guests. Basically, you'd just like to see them spend the money differently.

The fact is the buses and monorails can be repaired, refurbed, or replaced as needed, while also doing things like expanding Fantasyland and creating an Avatar Land.

How much money would it cost to run (edit: build) a "more efficient tracked system" that covers all the current monorail resorts, as well as all of the other resorts, parks, etc. where the buses run? I'm guessing the cost of that would make MM+ look like a drop in the bucket and there would be no new rides or attractions for a long, long time. Just imagine the complaints, then.

(My apologies for the OT posts. I'll hang up and listen.)

 

[ToTBellHop]

I don't disagree that it would be nice to have an upgrade in transportation, which is really what you're saying. It's still an infrastructure expense and it's not keeping people from visiting nor is it causing death and mayhem for guests. Basically, you'd just like to see them spend the money differently.

The fact is the buses and monorails can be repaired, refurbed, or replaced as needed, while also doing things like expanding Fantasyland and creating an Avatar Land.

How much money would it cost to run a "more efficient tracked system" that covers all the current monorail resorts, as well as all of the other resorts, parks, etc. where the buses run? I'm guessing the cost of that would make MM+ look like a drop in the bucket and there would be no new rides or attractions for a long, long time. Just imagine the complaints, then.

(My apologies for the OT posts. I'll hang up and listen.)

I imagine it would be prohibitively expensive and not as efficient as one would think. Plus, there is the issue of breakdowns. At the end of the day, for a resort of WDW's size and number of resorts, buses are likely the most practical. A better idea might be to have a bunch of bus-only lanes--much like the HOV lanes that many cities use.

 

[marni1971]

I just hope they're actually right in this situation and that their sources aren't just trying to screw with people. And unless it's some kind of account suicide "going out with a bang" prank, I don't see why anyone on these forums would try to put themselves in the line of fire by posting fake info to mess with people when we're so close to D23 now.

I'm not trying to claim anyone here is wrong or right, it's just very difficult to see through the fog on this project with two sides in disagreement on the matter. I'd love for Tim, articos and all the others on that side to be right on the matter. But Lee's track record holds me back from getting prematurely excited on the matter. Until Disney announces it officially, i'm just inclined to keep expectations low to avoid disappointment.

@Lee and @marni1971
Is there any other info or updates you may have heard that contradict the "one ride" plan reported by trusted insiders here?

I don't. I posted the last I heard a while back (two-one attraction/s) so this is new to me. I do know ops are pushing for into the night openings.

 

[ThemeParks4Life]

It'd be really cool if the E Ticket was a Pandora's Box ride.

 

[misterID]

It'd be really cool if the E Ticket was a Pandora's Box ride.

They would need a definite C ticket for the family to go along with it, because Pandora's Box is completely insane.

 

[doctornick]

As I hear it, the E is a sure thing and the C is moving forward, but would be "expendable" if something needs to be cut.
For a while, it was just the E.

Have you heard about a parade or nighttime show?

 

[Rodan75]

I just watched the Pandora's Box YouTube video...Holy Cow...that would be amazing if it came to DAK and Avatar

 

[Captain Chaos]

Internally the project is sometimes referred to as "DAK Full Day." DAK was slated for new goodies whether Avatar happened or not.

Now that Lee has confirmed what I've been saying for two weeks, can people stop calling me a liar?

Tim thanks for giving us updated unbiased information rather than more information meant to further an agenda... Much appreciated...

~~~ Insider information on Avatar, feels like the year round haunted house and not Transformers all over again...

 

[twebber55]

Tim thanks for giving us updated unbiased information rather than more information meant to further an agenda... Much appreciated...

~~~ Insider information on Avatar, feels like the year round haunted house and not Transformers all over again...

are you saying people have an agenda on this board?

 

[Tim_4]

Tim thanks for giving us updated unbiased information rather than more information meant to further an agenda... Much appreciated...

~~~ Insider information on Avatar, feels like the year round haunted house and not Transformers all over again...

I don't get the agenda comment. Are there nefarious posters afoot?

 

[Atomicmickey]

I don't get the agenda comment. Are there nefarious posters afoot?

Don't worry about it. Just keep sharing awesome info.

 

[Captain Chaos]

are you saying people have an agenda on this board?

Being used as agents of people with an agenda...