DAK AVATAR land - the specifics

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mahnamahna101

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jt04 said:
Reimagined Tomorrowland on one side of the park and Discovery Bay on the other and I would never complain again.
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I'd still complain until Fire Mountain, Bald Mountain and a Frozen trackless dark ride came in... but if that's all it takes to be happy ;)

Really, if they fixed the bottleneck and built behind Fronterland/Liberty Square/Fantasyland... along with a revamped Tomorrowland and a thrill ride/coaster for Adventureland, I'd be happy with MK.
 
jt04

jt04

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mahnamahna101 said:
I'd still complain until Fire Mountain, Bald Mountain and a Frozen trackless dark ride came in... but if that's all it takes to be happy ;)

Really, if they fixed the bottleneck and built behind Fronterland/Liberty Square/Fantasyland... along with a revamped Tomorrowland and a thrill ride/coaster for Adventureland, I'd be happy with MK.
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Moving the train station north as part of a Discovery Bay-esque western style steampunk add or further to the north of IaSW as part of a FL expansion would do wonders for traffic flow and expanding the MK. The current FL train station causes crowding.

I am also thinking TL may be being considered for SW to match DLs adds rather than putting the IP at the studios. Hence the delay. Probably just one option they are considering. But there are benefits to such a move.
 
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mahnamahna101

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jt04 said:
Moving the train station north as part of a Discovery Bay-esque western style steampunk add or further to the north of IaSW as part of a FL expansion would do wonders for traffic flow and expanding the MK. The current FL train station causes crowding.

I am also thinking TL may be being considered for SW to match DLs adds rather than putting the IP at the studios. Hence the delay. Probably just one option they are considering. But there are benefits to such a move.
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I don't know... what do they do with Star Tours then? It wouldn't make sense to have Star Wars at MK and DHS unless there's something connecting the two.

You could do Discovery Bay, Bald Mountain and Arendale with that huge chunk of land above Frontierland and Fantasyland. Lots of possiblities.
 
jt04

jt04

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mahnamahna101 said:
I don't know... what do they do with Star Tours then? It wouldn't make sense to have Star Wars at MK and DHS unless there's something connecting the two.

You could do Discovery Bay, Bald Mountain and Arendale with that huge chunk of land above Frontierland and Fantasyland. Lots of possiblities.
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Like Frozen right now, the IP could end up in more than one park. It would be much easier logistically and might also be the easiest way to update TL for the long term. Just a hunch that suddenly occured to me. Blue Sky Cellar reopens in about a month. It is an IP good for at least another half century.

Add your ideas and the MK could be considered largely complete. Only fine tuning after that.
 
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mahnamahna101

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jt04 said:
Like Frozen right now, the IP could end up in more than one park. It would be much easier logistically and might also be the easiest way to update TL for the long term. Just a hunch that suddenly occured to me. Blue Sky Cellar reopens in about a month. It is an IP good for at least another half century.

Add your ideas and the MK could be considered largely complete. Only fine tuning after that.
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Ehh... DHS desperately needs something new as the least attended WDW park and the one most likely to get hurt by Diagon, Kong and all of the new additions for Universal. MK needs expanded capacity, but it's pretty well-rounded at the moment. DHS only has 6 rides total. Putting Star Wars Land in Tomorrowland would just be a cheap move by TDO - especially since it'd be value engineered. Just a cheap way to say they did something for the 50th. Tomorrowland overhaul, Future World revamp, Pandora and Star Wars Land - should be what we get by the 50th. Pandora and Star Wars Land are all I can see being added.

Tomorrowland really just needs replacements for Stitch and Laugh Floor, an extensive upgrade for Space Mountain and the removal of the Speedway to open up a gigantic expansion pad behind the Speedway and Space Mt., along with the Speedway. Put a show-stopping original E-ticket, a Sugar Rush themed D-ticket similar to Autopia with actual scenery/theming along the ride, and a enclosed, larger version of the old Flying Saucers. Rebrand Tomorrowland as a science fiction based area (Sugar Rush/Hero's Duty just to provide a solid transition between lands) with the Buzz/Stitch/Laugh Floor area becoming something akin to Discoveryland - more of a retro version of what the future might have been. Space, Sugar Rush/Hero's Duty, the expansion area, Astro Orbiter and the PeopleMover would retain the idealistic view of the future.
 
jt04

jt04

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mahnamahna101 said:
Ehh... DHS desperately needs something new as the least attended WDW park and the one most likely to get hurt by Diagon, Kong and all of the new additions for Universal. MK needs expanded capacity, but it's pretty well-rounded at the moment. DHS only has 6 rides total. Putting Star Wars Land in Tomorrowland would just be a cheap move by TDO - especially since it'd be value engineered. Just a cheap way to say they did something for the 50th. Tomorrowland overhaul, Future World revamp, Pandora and Star Wars Land - should be what we get by the 50th. Pandora and Star Wars Land are all I can see being added.

Tomorrowland really just needs replacements for Stitch and Laugh Floor, an extensive upgrade for Space Mountain and the removal of the Speedway to open up a gigantic expansion pad behind the Speedway and Space Mt., along with the Speedway. Put a show-stopping original E-ticket, a Sugar Rush themed D-ticket similar to Autopia with actual scenery/theming along the ride, and a enclosed, larger version of the old Flying Saucers. Rebrand Tomorrowland as a science fiction based area (Sugar Rush/Hero's Duty just to provide a solid transition between lands) with the Buzz/Stitch/Laugh Floor area becoming something akin to Discoveryland - more of a retro version of what the future might have been. Space, Sugar Rush/Hero's Duty, the expansion area, Astro Orbiter and the PeopleMover would retain the idealistic view of the future.
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That is quite a laundry list. Star Wars could fill a lot of theming holes in TL. Really is no limit. And rumors are that is what they intend at DL.

As for DHS I wouldn't be suprised if they are considering more Pixar, Frozen, replacements for VotLM and BatB and other more current Disney originals. This may be the simpler, quicker way. Maybe not the ideal way but it is anyones guess right now. The pressure from Uni is building it seems.
 
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mahnamahna101

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Bolt said:
Just a heads up this is the thread for Avatarland specifics not about what should be built next. If memory serves me right, I think we might have a few other threads where people talk about what to build next...
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Sorry... it was the 50th stuff that sent it off track! My bad... although Avatar doesn't have much to discuss right now. As far as specifics go
 
Mouse Trap

Mouse Trap

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A few weeks ago a TV station here in Central Florida played a random 3-4 minute spot on Avatarland and showcased a brief bit of glowing lights swirling around an Imagineer's (I assume) hand as he moved about. The lights seemed to be suspended from something other than his hands and seemed to actually move quite well in whichever way he directed. Anyone know anything more about this? The spot was mostly composed of concept art and videos we've all seen quite often with a few added bits I have yet to see.

It was quite a bit passed 12AM when I saw this spot and wasn't exactly up to full mental alertness....
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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For the record, Disney has still not announced a single ride for Avatar. However Cameron and Landau have talked about a simulator and a boat ride. For those keeping track at home, the last ride that was officially announced was the Mine Train on January 18, 2011.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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RSoxNo1 said:
For the record, Disney has still not announced a single ride for Avatar. However Cameron and Landau have talked about a simulator and a boat ride. For those keeping track at home, the last ride that was officially announced was the Mine Train on January 18, 2011.
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This is turning out to be a very a-typical project. They normally don't make the initial announcement of a project as long before the start of construction as they did here. They also normally announce the details of the rides before construction has even started. So is the late announcement of the rides an intentional choice, going with the Universal model, or are there things that are still up in the air?
 
flyerjab

flyerjab

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I know nothing about construction projects, earth-moving, pilings, etc. However, there are those that frequent these threads that know a lot about that stuff. If things were still not completely decided (meaning type of rides, number of rides, etc), wouldn't you need to know the basics considering that they are currently preparing the grounds for what will be built on top of it?

Originally there was talk of a simulator, boat ride and coaster. Then the coaster idea was apparently scratched. Let's make up a small work of fiction for a moment and consider that they have already started moving and preparing the ground for Pandora and that it is currently based upon 2 main attractions - a boat ride and large simulator ride/building. After site preparations have begun, let's say that Cameron saw how completely frickin' awesome Diagon Alley was and made a huge push to add a 3rd attraction to Pandora (he seems naturally competitive to me). After much arguing, it was determined that his vision was better and that they would indeed add the coaster (remember I said that this was fiction :)). Would that be possible to add something like that after they have clearly started preparing the ground for vertical construction?

Also, I remember reading that it would be possible to see where things are going from the aerial photos even at these early stages. In terms of construction time, how early will we be able to tell the number of major attractions that will be built in Pandora?
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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flyerjab said:
I know nothing about construction projects, earth-moving, pilings, etc. However, there are those that frequent these threads that know a lot about that stuff. If things were still not completely decided (meaning type of rides, number of rides, etc), wouldn't you need to know the basics considering that they are currently preparing the grounds for what will be built on top of it?

Originally there was talk of a simulator, boat ride and coaster. Then the coaster idea was apparently scratched. Let's make up a small work of fiction for a moment and consider that they have already started moving and preparing the ground for Pandora and that it is currently based upon 2 main attractions - a boat ride and large simulator ride/building. After site preparations have begun, let's say that Cameron saw how completely frickin' awesome Diagon Alley was and made a huge push to add a 3rd attraction to Pandora (he seems naturally competitive to me). After much arguing, it was determined that his vision was better and that they would indeed add the coaster (remember I said that this was fiction :)). Would that be possible to add something like that after they have clearly started preparing the ground for vertical construction?

Also, I remember reading that it would be possible to see where things are going from the aerial photos even at these early stages. In terms of construction time, how early will we be able to tell the number of major attractions that will be built in Pandora?
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You scenario is quite possible, this is essentially what happened with the Fantasyland expansion. The middle of that expansion was going to have two high-end M&G's, permits were even filed for these, but at some point early on they decided to change those to the mine ride. I think by the end of the year we should see enough in aerial photos to get an idea of what they currently plan to build.

Once pilings and foundations are in, they probably aren't going to change those attractions, although they could, but it would be a costly change. Some of the work we are seeing now is just general ground stabilization, which wouldn't lock them into a specific attractions.
 
kap91

kap91

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flyerjab said:
I know nothing about construction projects, earth-moving, pilings, etc. However, there are those that frequent these threads that know a lot about that stuff. If things were still not completely decided (meaning type of rides, number of rides, etc), wouldn't you need to know the basics considering that they are currently preparing the grounds for what will be built on top of it?

Originally there was talk of a simulator, boat ride and coaster. Then the coaster idea was apparently scratched. Let's make up a small work of fiction for a moment and consider that they have already started moving and preparing the ground for Pandora and that it is currently based upon 2 main attractions - a boat ride and large simulator ride/building. After site preparations have begun, let's say that Cameron saw how completely frickin' awesome Diagon Alley was and made a huge push to add a 3rd attraction to Pandora (he seems naturally competitive to me). After much arguing, it was determined that his vision was better and that they would indeed add the coaster (remember I said that this was fiction :)). Would that be possible to add something like that after they have clearly started preparing the ground for vertical construction?

Also, I remember reading that it would be possible to see where things are going from the aerial photos even at these early stages. In terms of construction time, how early will we be able to tell the number of major attractions that will be built in Pandora?
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Well anything is possible if you throw enough money at it. My guess is it would be difficult to do though, unless they've designed the land so that the coaster would fit in fine at a later date if they decided to build it. Mostly likely this is not the case as they would have done something else with that space. The reason it was easy enough to do with mine train was that mine train was the original idea, then tabled, then reinstated. As far as I know, most of the history of the Avatar project has been a debate between building a simulator OR a coaster - not both - although some people have stated the opposite. There was also talk for a while of the simulator being more of a track based ride. I think the only thing that is really pretty certain at this point (based soley on concept art) is that there will be a boat ride and some sort of flying attraction.
 

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