AVATAR land construction progress

Matt_Black

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Actually, I still remember Mcdonalds defensive ads after Wendy's commercials about tiny meats by old ladies.
or how Pepsi got murdered by Coke in last halloween ad.
I'm not saying that never happens, but those generally aren't hugely successful ad campaigns. Let's look at another successful example.

In the Monday Night Wrestling Wars, WWF and WCW would bash each other on air constantly, as they were neck and neck. Now, once we get to about 1999, WWF stopped mentioning WCW, because they didn't need to anymore. They had pretty much won at that point. WCW would not be mentioned on air again until Vince McMahon had utterly destroyed the company and bought them up for a fraction of a fraction of what they were once worth.

Similarly, while TNA has bashed WWE many times, I don't think WWE has ever acknowledged the existence of their competitor, who is about to file for bankruptcy.
 

Mr_Incredible

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I'm not saying that never happens, but those generally aren't hugely successful ad campaigns. Let's look at another successful example.

In the Monday Night Wrestling Wars, WWF and WCW would bash each other on air constantly, as they were neck and neck. Now, once we get to about 1999, WWF stopped mentioning WCW, because they didn't need to anymore. They had pretty much won at that point. WCW would not be mentioned on air again until Vince McMahon had utterly destroyed the company and bought them up for a fraction of a fraction of what they were once worth.

Similarly, while TNA has bashed WWE many times, I don't think WWE has ever acknowledged the existence of their competitor, who is about to file for bankruptcy.

Huge wrestling fan, so I get this. However, don't we want UNI to be mid 90s WCW? That's when wrestling was at its greatest, when WWF had to bring a ppv quality RAW every Monday. Now, they're the only game in town, and WWE has crap quality, and every once in a while amazing product.

I honestly like using Wrestling and this example when thinking of uni/Disney....except in reverse.

Disney has always been 1999 WWF. Now, Uni is bringing the heat and Disney needs to bring it to Attitude era levels of quality to compete.

Its good for all of us.
 

Matt_Black

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Huge wrestling fan, so I get this. However, don't we want UNI to be mid 90s WCW? That's when wrestling was at its greatest, when WWF had to bring a ppv quality RAW every Monday. Now, they're the only game in town, and WWE has crap quality, and every once in a while amazing product.

I honestly like using Wrestling and this example when thinking of uni/Disney....except in reverse.

Disney has always been 1999 WWF. Now, Uni is bringing the heat and Disney needs to bring it to Attitude era levels of quality to compete.

Its good for all of us.
... Mid-90s WCW gave us the Dungeon of Doom, remember....
 

Cesar R M

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I'm not saying that never happens, but those generally aren't hugely successful ad campaigns. Let's look at another successful example.

In the Monday Night Wrestling Wars, WWF and WCW would bash each other on air constantly, as they were neck and neck. Now, once we get to about 1999, WWF stopped mentioning WCW, because they didn't need to anymore. They had pretty much won at that point. WCW would not be mentioned on air again until Vince McMahon had utterly destroyed the company and bought them up for a fraction of a fraction of what they were once worth.

Similarly, while TNA has bashed WWE many times, I don't think WWE has ever acknowledged the existence of their competitor, who is about to file for bankruptcy.
Agree. plus it would be free advertisement power for the smaller companies if they were mentioned by the big company.
 

monothingie

I put the hunk in hunkering down.
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However, Avatar, Star Wars and Toy Story will no doubt hit the ball right out of the park. I'm hoping Star Wars is Disney's answer to WWOHP. Only problem is the wait!
And of course the problem of Disney bean counters axing the production budgets at the last minute. Not that that has ever been done before at WDW...
 

LieutLaww

No one's ever really gone
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I bet you its not the bean counters axing budgets, its some management bod who needs a reason to keep their job, saving the company money is the easiest way to do it " well if we just cut this and this from here then we can save this much" give that man a raise !
 

djkidkaz

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Huge wrestling fan, so I get this. However, don't we want UNI to be mid 90s WCW? That's when wrestling was at its greatest, when WWF had to bring a ppv quality RAW every Monday. Now, they're the only game in town, and WWE has crap quality, and every once in a while amazing product.

I honestly like using Wrestling and this example when thinking of uni/Disney....except in reverse.

Disney has always been 1999 WWF. Now, Uni is bringing the heat and Disney needs to bring it to Attitude era levels of quality to compete.

Its good for all of us.
Yeah I always think about this Disney /Uni war as it's so similar. You have the champion, the top dog of the industry in Disney whose competitor starts to breath down their neck when they get a financier ( Comcast ) with money to spend. But that company is just in it for the quick money, it's not part of who they are. The theme parks are a huge part of the Disney brand, it's their history. Comcast is a cable tv company with excessive cash to burn right now and is putting some into Uni to get a return on their investment, but the parks are not part of some lineage of Comcast. Mark my words, Comcast will eventually start to struggle in the coming years as more and more people realize that a $140 monthly cable / internet bill is ridiculous and switch over to streaming services. They will start cutting spending at the parks and you won't see these yearly additions. So enjoy your screen based attractions while you can!
 

Matt_Black

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Yeah I always think about this Disney /Uni war as it's so similar. You have the champion, the top dog of the industry in Disney whose competitor starts to breath down their neck when they get a financier ( Comcast ) with money to spend. But that company is just in it for the quick money, it's not part of who they are. The theme parks are a huge part of the Disney brand, it's their history. Comcast is a cable tv company with excessive cash to burn right now and is putting some into Uni to get a return on their investment, but the parks are not part of some lineage of Comcast. Mark my words, Comcast will eventually start to struggle in the coming years as more and more people realize that a $140 monthly cable / internet bill is ridiculous and switch over to streaming services. They will start cutting spending at the parks and you won't see these yearly additions. So enjoy your screen based attractions while you can!
Here's a thought- is the Dreamworks buy analogous to bringing in Hall & Nash to form the NWO with Hogan?
 

Mike S

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Yeah I always think about this Disney /Uni war as it's so similar. You have the champion, the top dog of the industry in Disney whose competitor starts to breath down their neck when they get a financier ( Comcast ) with money to spend. But that company is just in it for the quick money, it's not part of who they are. The theme parks are a huge part of the Disney brand, it's their history. Comcast is a cable tv company with excessive cash to burn right now and is putting some into Uni to get a return on their investment, but the parks are not part of some lineage of Comcast. Mark my words, Comcast will eventually start to struggle in the coming years as more and more people realize that a $140 monthly cable / internet bill is ridiculous and switch over to streaming services. They will start cutting spending at the parks and you won't see these yearly additions. So enjoy your screen based attractions while you can!
Well one can argue that's why they're pumping money in the parks to get a return on their investment. So that they have another big money maker should cable start to struggle.
 

RSoxNo1

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Just curious everyone. How would you respond if you were Disney to the questions and comments about WWOHP? I would think they really didn't have much choice than what was said.
If I was Bruce Vaughn I would have thought about contributing something to earn my title (at the time) of head imagineering. But the proper response is similar to what Iger and Rasulo have said, a rising tide lifts all boats.
 

RSoxNo1

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To be fair, Bruce was "pushed" to push for the mediocre. Then he was fired for it. There were also some internal politics at work.

*1023*
As far as I can find he was responsible for the living character initiative (Lucky and maybe the Muppet Mobile Lab) and the SSE redo. I can't find much else that he contributed to. He was swinging for an opposite field single instead of for the fences. Yes, I understand that management wasn't exactly pushing for new attractions either, but look at New Fantasyland. While I believe that was Chris Beatty's project, as head of Imagineering Vaughn also had some weight to throw around. The project had a huge budget and looks great. But as people have said, "there's not enough 'there' there".

Vaughn, Staggs, and Rasulo deserved to be let go, but unfortunately the current management is continuing some of the same poor decisions. It doesn't mean all decisions are bad, but they're certainly not all good.
 

Cesar R M

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As far as I can find he was responsible for the living character initiative (Lucky and maybe the Muppet Mobile Lab) and the SSE redo. I can't find much else that he contributed to. He was swinging for an opposite field single instead of for the fences. Yes, I understand that management wasn't exactly pushing for new attractions either, but look at New Fantasyland. While I believe that was Chris Beatty's project, as head of Imagineering Vaughn also had some weight to throw around. The project had a huge budget and looks great. But as people have said, "there's not enough 'there' there".

Vaughn, Staggs, and Rasulo deserved to be let go, but unfortunately the current management is continuing some of the same poor decisions. It doesn't mean all decisions are bad, but they're certainly not all good.
Which makes you wonder if Vaughn Staggs and Rasulo were just puppets who were FORCED to play Iger's forced "recipe" of "slow, cheap and with IPs" development on the theme park business.
 

WDWtraveler

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Photo update as of Monday, October 31. Since a photo posted here can't be 3-dimentional, take my word for this. The berm between the Disney bus terminal at Animal Kingdom and Avatar land is being re-constructed about 40 feet behind the original berm. Earth moving equipment was moving dirt from the foreground to the background and smoothing the top of the new berm. This will probably connect to the existing berm at either end, where the vegetation is still in place.

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WDWtraveler

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Photo update as of Monday, October 31. New lights can be seen attached to the "tree branch" lamp posts along the bridge to Avatar land. Each one is a slightly different shape. They all appear to be "organic" in that they seem to be created by some sort of insect or creature (just my opinion). At the least, they are "works of art."

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