I disagree
folks against something are always the loudest...look at the tea party folks on the right and tree hugger nut jobs on the left
I think most people who are not gung ho about it is at least in wait and see pattern
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folks against something are always the loudest...look at the tea party folks on the right and tree hugger nut jobs on the left
I think most people who are not gung ho about it is at least in wait and see pattern
RayTheFirefly
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I've never even seen the movie, and never really wanted to, but I'm stoked for the project!! The concept art looks incredible.
I'll take a t-shirt as well.
Figment2005
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T-Shirts, T-Shirts for EVERYONE!!!
jt04
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At this point they will say they don't like it even if they do. Because.
yes there are people on this board who will hate it no matter how much they like it
MerlinTheGoat
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I'm not really for or against the project. On the one hand i'm not a fan of the movie's story and would much rather have a more relevant land built in its place (like a South America or Australia expansion). But I do enjoy the art design and visuals of the film and feel they could potentially translate to a lovely theme park land if done right (even moreso at night). I'm open minded to a quality experience, hopefully the creative leads don't let us down (Cameron's recent comments sound promising at least unless he was blowing hot air). I'll doll out the praise if done right, or complain if done wrong.
I will say that my feedback towards this project is hinging almost entirely on the quality of the boat ride. If the boat ride even makes it in at this point. I fully expect the land to be lovely. Particularly at night, Rhode and Cameron aren't likely to disappoint in this regard unless the budget is completely mutilated beyond repair. But I expect quality rides out of a land like this, not just all style and no substance. I've no interest whatsoever in another screen based simulator/ride as the main attraction (particularly one said to be taking so many elements from Soarin), so the main ride will likely not interest me that much. But i'm also not getting my hopes up for the boat ride given that WDI seems to consider it a "C ticket" from leaked blueprints. Even though i'm somewhat looking forward to it. The good but criminally short Mine Train was a solid D for reference, and some at WDI tried to claim that Mermaid was an E ticket lite. Not exactly a vote of extreme confidence in regards to the boat ride. The concept art for the boat ride looks great and lovely, but I know better than to trust art to determine the quality of the final product in this day and age (even the still good Mine Train was more impressive in the concept art than the final product).
Suffice to say, if the boat ride is good then i'll be pretty positive about this expansion. If it's not then i'll have a far more negative reaction to the land. The boat needs to look great and be somewhat lengthy (not criminally short like the Mine Train), and keep the video screens out (or at least a bare minimum) and put an emphasis on animatronics and practical effects/scenery.
I will say that my feedback towards this project is hinging almost entirely on the quality of the boat ride. If the boat ride even makes it in at this point. I fully expect the land to be lovely. Particularly at night, Rhode and Cameron aren't likely to disappoint in this regard unless the budget is completely mutilated beyond repair. But I expect quality rides out of a land like this, not just all style and no substance. I've no interest whatsoever in another screen based simulator/ride as the main attraction (particularly one said to be taking so many elements from Soarin), so the main ride will likely not interest me that much. But i'm also not getting my hopes up for the boat ride given that WDI seems to consider it a "C ticket" from leaked blueprints. Even though i'm somewhat looking forward to it. The good but criminally short Mine Train was a solid D for reference, and some at WDI tried to claim that Mermaid was an E ticket lite. Not exactly a vote of extreme confidence in regards to the boat ride. The concept art for the boat ride looks great and lovely, but I know better than to trust art to determine the quality of the final product in this day and age (even the still good Mine Train was more impressive in the concept art than the final product).
Suffice to say, if the boat ride is good then i'll be pretty positive about this expansion. If it's not then i'll have a far more negative reaction to the land. The boat needs to look great and be somewhat lengthy (not criminally short like the Mine Train), and keep the video screens out (or at least a bare minimum) and put an emphasis on animatronics and practical effects/scenery.
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GoofGoof
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Yep. And if Avland was built in IOA there would be a whole group of additional people singing its praises while some Disney fanboys who are excited about this project would be dismissing it completely.
danlb_2000
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Yeah, and if they were building a Star Wars ride at Six Flags the people who love Uni, but hate everything that Disney does, but did like Avatar......
what point was I trying to make?
Mike S
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Might as well say I'm excited for Avatar too. But it all depends on execution. If the land is pretty but the rides are a bit lacking it will be a repeat of New Fantasyland. I'm not too thrilled about the main E Ticket just being Soarin' 2.0 and I hope the boat ride is great. I want exactly what is seen in the concept art with AA's of various Pandora wildlife but since it's being labeled as a C Ticket I guess I can't get my hopes too high.
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GoofGoof
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I'm not sure, but if they were building a Star Wars ride at Six Flaggs it would most likely make me ill. Unless it was a log flume or a big wooden coaster with no loopsYeah, and if they were building a Star Wars ride at Six Flags the people who love Uni, but hate everything that Disney does, but did like Avatar......
what point was I trying to make?
GoofGoof
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Don't get too caught up in the letter system. I'm still not sold that was even a legit label on the leaked plans. Seemed kinda odd at the time, but nobody had any evidence to the contrary.
The budget is (or at least was) big for Avatar. Much bigger than FLE. All that money has to go somewhere. I know, it's probably just wishful thinking, but it makes sense.
Captain Chaos
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Don't let Al Sharpton read this. LOL
Captain Chaos
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You mean the same people who hate it so much they will be there opening day enjoying the new land, then coming on here complaining how much they hated the 5 rides on Soarin 2.0, 5 rides on the boat ride and how much they hated the awesome the bioluminescence?yes there are people on this board who will hate it no matter how much they like it
MerlinTheGoat
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What even is the budget for Avatar at this point? It has been quite a long time since I heard a number and I can't even recall what the last quote I read was (one I remember was something like 800 million or around that). I think New Fantasyland was something like 500 million...
And I hope they're saving some of that money for the actual rides and showscenes instead of just blowing it all on the likely expensive rockwork this will require. The rockwork from the art and models looks like it's going to be considerably more ambitious than New Fantasyland's, at the very least substantially larger in size and probably much more pricey to build. Don't get me wrong, the art and models look like they could be really awesome looking (again i'll be shocked and disappointed if it's not a looker from outward appearances at least, though I don't expect they'll get this part wrong). But you need substance to go along with the style, otherwise you just get stuck with something like New Fantasyland with some nice looking facades and scenery but lackluster ride quality.
And I hope they're saving some of that money for the actual rides and showscenes instead of just blowing it all on the likely expensive rockwork this will require. The rockwork from the art and models looks like it's going to be considerably more ambitious than New Fantasyland's, at the very least substantially larger in size and probably much more pricey to build. Don't get me wrong, the art and models look like they could be really awesome looking (again i'll be shocked and disappointed if it's not a looker from outward appearances at least, though I don't expect they'll get this part wrong). But you need substance to go along with the style, otherwise you just get stuck with something like New Fantasyland with some nice looking facades and scenery but lackluster ride quality.
Mike S
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The last time I saw anyone mention the budget for Avatar I think it was also $500 million but that was a long time ago. Not sure if that's changed.
I think its been mentioned 800 million for all of the DAK makeover so somewhere between 500-600 million for Avatar
MerlinTheGoat
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There was a reference to an 800 million budget, but I just searched for it and Steve (as in the admin here) said he believed it was for the overall AK renovation which included not just Avatar, but also the relocated Lion King, Rivers of Light and the night package for the Safari.
I should also mention that this was early January-
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/avatar-breaks-ground.878875/page-25#post-5883538
I can't find the post at the moment, but I think someone also mentioned that the River of Light budget had already been slashed (might have been @marni1971 but not sure).
I'm not getting excited if Avatar only has a budget on par with New Fantasyland. And as Avatar has barely even begun construction (and no sign of going vertical I believe still), I wouldn't rule out the possibility for more budget cuts along the way.
I should also mention that this was early January-
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/avatar-breaks-ground.878875/page-25#post-5883538
I can't find the post at the moment, but I think someone also mentioned that the River of Light budget had already been slashed (might have been @marni1971 but not sure).
I'm not getting excited if Avatar only has a budget on par with New Fantasyland. And as Avatar has barely even begun construction (and no sign of going vertical I believe still), I wouldn't rule out the possibility for more budget cuts along the way.
the only thing about that is Cameron im sure has a say in the land so it will be interesting to see this land come together....I ve been on record as saying im predicting vertical construction by October so im sure it will start soon
flyerjab
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Yes, discussion of this topic has dropped off (for obvious reasons). I wonder what has changed with this project - both budget and attraction-wise - since that video was released with Cameron, Staggs, Rohde, et al. It would be nice if more info was unearthed about this but I have a feeling that DHS is all the rage with our resident insiders and Pandora is so 'yesterday.' Maybe something more will be revealed at D23 next year.
I could add in a Frozen joke at this point but that is starting to become aggravating - both the jokes and the Park presence.