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space42

space42

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sshindel said:
I'm fairly convinced that is part of the reason why there are quite a few who miss the way Disney "used" to do things. We just didn't know what it was we were missing out on, or the politics behind it, or any other reasons. We just went and said "I like that, I like that, I don't like that, I like that".
Now we spend all day discussing these things online, we know what imagineer was shafted because he was in the wrong clique, the grand designs that never came to fruition because of the decision of some person in management and we walk around wondering what could have been.

Of course, it's a double edged sword, because we want to know all these things, and it has become part of the way we enjoy Disney as a company and product.
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There is some of that for sure. However, when going on Splash Mountain for the first time, I don't think any of 'team doom and gloom' were thinking about what could have been. Same goes for Tower, Horizons, WOM, Original Journey into Imagination, etc.

If Soarin' over Pandora is truly a 'one of a Disney kind' ground breaking E-Ticket, I doubt I'll care what was cut either.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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space42 said:
There is some of that for sure. However, when going on Splash Mountain for the first time, I don't think any of 'team doom and gloom' were thinking about what could have been. Same goes for Tower, Horizons, WOM, Original Journey into Imagination, etc.

If Soarin' over Pandora is truly a 'one of a Disney kind' ground breaking E-Ticket, I doubt I'll care what was cut either.
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Just like how I don't care about Forbidden Journey or Gringotts cuts because the end product is still great :)
 
sshindel

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
space42 said:
There is some of that for sure. However, when going on Splash Mountain for the first time, I don't think any of 'team doom and gloom' were thinking about what could have been. Same goes for Tower, Horizons, WOM, Original Journey into Imagination, etc.

If Soarin' over Pandora is truly a 'one of a Disney kind' ground breaking E-Ticket, I doubt I'll care what was cut either.
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Sure. There are some (myself included) that will. There will be (likely a minority) that will walk around also saying "This area is amazing, if it had that roller coaster it was supposed to, man, it would be incredible". I might fall into that camp as well. I plant myself directly on "Team Dust and Gloom", with a good mix of both things I like and things I don't. Before joining this site, I was aware that I felt that Epcot had lost something. It wasn't really until joining this site that I started to really start putting thought into What and Why.
 
Rob562

Rob562

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Cesar R M said:
speaking of the pizzafari area.. its my imagination or they might add another bridge?
if Avatar land becomes a sure hit. all the traffic going only from africa (harambe theatre area) and pizzafari might be not enough.
Discovery Island already gets packed to hell.
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The pathway at the southern end of the new Lion King theater area implies that it will eventually continue on down to the Avatar entrance. This wouldn't require an additional bridge since you're already on the proper side of the river. (Like walking from Harambe to Asia; no bridge needed)

There's also the existing bridge over the river behind Pizzafari and Creature Comforts that's currently backstage access only. (It was originally built with high walls on it to hide any trucks or ambulances driving across it.) It's unclear whether that bridge will remain as a backstage route (with gates on either side of the Harambe/Avatar walkway to allow access) or if they will eventually bring the bridge on-stage at some point.

-Rob
 
sshindel

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Cesar R M said:
I think you guys need to find a proper example of when budget cuts are BAD.
the mine train for example.. is a prime example of bad.
The ride being way too short.
At least they plussed the AA's.. these AA's are fantastic.
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But, to hold up to the discussion, what if you didn't know that the budget was cut? It would be short, yes, but would you consider it as bad because it wouldn't have the "Disney cheaped out" connotation.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Rob562 said:
The pathway at the southern end of the new Lion King theater area implies that it will eventually continue on down to the Avatar entrance. This wouldn't require an additional bridge since you're already on the proper side of the river. (Like walking from Harambe to Asia; no bridge needed)

There's also the existing bridge over the river behind Pizzafari and Creature Comforts that's currently backstage access only. (It was originally built with high walls on it to hide any trucks or ambulances driving across it.) It's unclear whether that bridge will remain as a backstage route (with gates on either side of the Harambe/Avatar walkway to allow access) or if they will eventually bring the bridge on-stage at some point.

-Rob
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really good explanation, thanks rob!
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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sshindel said:
But, to hold up to the discussion, what if you didn't know that the budget was cut? It would be short, yes, but would you consider it as bad because it wouldn't have the "Disney cheaped out" connotation.
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then everything would be amazing.. ignorance leads to a lot of bad things in the long run. It leads into mediocrity and abuse.

Imagine that you only knew about the Nokia.
You think Nokia is godlike despite their gigantic prices and not so good hardware specs (just as an example).
Then you get later informed that there are 30 brands and 4 of them way ahead of Nokia in everything.

Its always smart to get informed.
 
dstrawn9889

dstrawn9889

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Cesar R M said:
then everything would be amazing.. ignorance leads to a lot of bad things in the long run. It leads into mediocrity and abuse.

Imagine that you only knew about the Nokia.
You think Nokia is godlike despite their gigantic prices and not so good hardware specs (just as an example).
Then you get later informed that there are 30 brands and 4 of them way ahead of Nokia in everything.

Its always smart to get informed.
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bad reference, try Apple instead of Nokia(since Nokia is no more)
 
sshindel

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Cesar R M said:
then everything would be amazing.. ignorance leads to a lot of bad things in the long run. It leads into mediocrity and abuse.

Imagine that you only knew about the Nokia.
You think Nokia is godlike despite their gigantic prices and not so good hardware specs (just as an example).
Then you get later informed that there are 30 brands and 4 of them way ahead of Nokia in everything.

Its always smart to get informed.
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Agreed.

My point was earlier though that it is what contributes to a part of what we see a lot of folks who pine for how Disney "used" to do things. While I agree to an extent that there are things they did better years ago, I hypothesize that there is a degree of knowing a little too much about the man behind the curtain that clouds our judgement slightly. I didn't know what I know now back when I visited WDW in the 80s/90s, so how much of what I remember is due to it really being better, and how much is due to knowing a little too much now?
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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dstrawn9889 said:
bad reference, try Apple instead of Nokia(since Nokia is no more)
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hence why I used (as an example).
Using apple might have had some members who are well known to be apple lovers.. to backslash.

Anyway both Nokia and Blackberry.. used to be the top leaders before the surge of apple and android smartphones.
 
matt9112

matt9112

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Voice of Disney sanity said:
I'm sorry but the mine train was disapointing
and I didn't even know there were cuts. I fully expected it to be splash mountain on a coaster.
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The mine train may be disappointing in that light however if you knew what it was meant to be it is a nice touch. after the cuts it became clear that it was a small coaster with a limited show scene and a very nice que... a nice step up from the barnstormer. IMO they could now tear the barnstormer down and replace it with a nice dark ride.
 
matt9112

matt9112

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Cesar R M said:
hence why I used (as an example).
Using apple might have had some members who are well known to be apple lovers.. to backslash.

Anyway both Nokia and Blackberry.. used to be the top leaders before the surge of apple and android smartphones.
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What you are refering to has nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with software. The hardware is what phones used to sell you on and although it is still a big factor the os is where the magic happens. Those company's died because they kept trying to make cell phones....not computers that can make calls.
 
matt9112

matt9112

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sshindel said:
Agreed.

My point was earlier though that it is what contributes to a part of what we see a lot of folks who pine for how Disney "used" to do things. While I agree to an extent that there are things they did better years ago, I hypothesize that there is a degree of knowing a little too much about the man behind the curtain that clouds our judgement slightly. I didn't know what I know now back when I visited WDW in the 80s/90s, so how much of what I remember is due to it really being better, and how much is due to knowing a little too much now?
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All I know is that a company that changes its napkins it save money is cheap. end of discussion.
 

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