DAK AVATAR breaks ground

Scuttle

Scuttle

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Next Big Thing said:
And yet people complain. I know the idea of Avatar may not thrill everyone, but it's been since Everest since Disney's even attempted anything with that demo in mind. It may turn out to be complete crap for all I know, but i'm willing to give it a chance. For as long as i've been a fan of theme parks, it's been proven time and time again that an IP doesn't need to be great to make a great attraction/land (and a great IP doesn't always make a great theme park attraction...).
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For the record I'm backing Avatar 100%. JC and Rhode won't let the thing flop, as others have said as well. Would I have been more in favor of BK or Australia/South America? Sure, but they say beggers can't be choosers and I've been begging for a new E-ticket for years.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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ParentsOf4 said:
I do wish people would give Pandora a chance and wait until it opens before criticizing it. That's what I did for the New Fantasyland. :D

Pandora will be the greatest addition to WDW since Expedition Everest (2006).

Pandora has the potential to be the greatest addition to WDW since DAK (1998).

However, that highlights one of WDW's current problems. Creatively, WDW has stagnated.

Tower of Terror blew me away in 1994. Test Track (1999) was an impressive technical achievement. Mission Space (2003) was unlike anything I had ever ridden. Yet with Pandora scheduled to open in 2017, that's a 11-span with little to show creatively at WDW.

With the folks in Burbank dithering on DHS's Star Wars Land because of budgetary concerns, Pandora represents the only confirmed major project at WDW in the foreseeable future.

Creatively, Iger's regime has been a disaster for WDW. Disney needs new leadership with fresh thinking, someone who views WDW as more than just a place to fill hotel rooms and sell timeshares. :mad:
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Now THIS is the way to gripe! No need for hyperbole or fanboy urban legends, just a level headed, fact based description of events. I wish I could disagree with you, but it's all true.

When is Iger stepping down? Wasn't it supposed to be around the time Avatar Land opens? Are we better off waiting to have a StarWars Land decision until after he is gone? The next guy might have more vision. Then again lots of people said the same thing when Eisner was ousted...can't get much worse right?
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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AndyMagic said:
They have indeed abandoned it... at California Adventure where there are a plethora of rides to choose from. People can't abandon Soarin' at Epcot or they will have nothing to do all day but drink wine at World Showcase. Midway Mania also rarely has long lines at DCA but at the attraction-starved DHS people stand in line for upwards of 100 minutes. Soarin' Over Pandora will no doubt have incredibly long lines as well when it opens. It's meaningless when a park is starved for capacity.
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This is a bit of a fanboy urban legend. Soarin is not a walk on at DCA either. According to touringplans for today Soarin at DCA has a max wait time just under 30 minutes. At EPCOT it's 43 minutes. January is a pretty dead time for both parks so I'm sure the wait times in the summer or over the holidays are pretty long at DCA. Not as long as EPCOT, but not short enough to say people have abandoned the ride either.
 
Prince-1

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Magenta Panther said:
I'm avoiding it like the plague once the blue kitties infest it.
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I have seen people like yourself who have stated they will NEVER enter Pandoraland..Avatarville?? (Whatever) And I say BULLSQUIRT!! Whether it is the best use of the space or not, when it opens and it looks amazing (It will), people will have a change of heart, head their head in shame, and walk into this land of the giant blue smurfs. No one is going to go into AK and not visit it. Sorry, not happening.
 
Scuttle

Scuttle

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gsam4ever said:
I have seen people like yourself who have stated they will NEVER enter Pandoraland..Avatarville?? (Whatever) And I say BULLSQUIRT!! Whether it is the best use of the space or not, when it opens and it looks amazing (It will), people will have a change of heart, head their head in shame, and walk into this land of the giant blue smurfs. No one is going to go into AK and not visit it. Sorry, not happening.
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Those people are so full of sh*t. I hate Dino land, but I go there everytime I'm at AK. You know it's funny because CMM is the one land I've only been to a couple of times(and I visit a lot). There is just one reason to go and once you've done FOTLK it's over and done. I mean hell if they had put a sabrett stand there I would have visited more frequently, so these people that say they won't go to Avland are just totally full of it.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Andrew C said:
Would you prefer Beastly Land like originally planned? I am not being sarcastic, I am really asking.
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ABSOLUTELY - there are so many legendary creatures from all cultures you would never run out of material for attractions. Instead we get 'Blue Pocahontas and The SmurfyCats' i.e. Pocahontas+Fern Gully with glowing plants with dialogue which would make Gordon Ramsey blush.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Scuttle said:
For the record I'm backing Avatar 100%. JC and Rhode won't let the thing flop, as others have said as well. Would I have been more in favor of BK or Australia/South America? Sure, but they say beggers can't be choosers and I've been begging for a new E-ticket for years.
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JC and Joe will do their best. However TDO will ensure its a flop just like new Mermaid Ride
 
James122

James122

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Haven't read all 20 pages of this thread, but here are my thoughts on the matter: Like many others I think that building an entire land based on an IP such as Avatar is a risk. Yeah, Avatar made a lot of $$$ at the box office, but it hasn't had the same cultural impact as say, Star Wars or Harry Potter. It's a huge risk, because if the sequels don't do well, it'll be that much harder to market an Avatar land to the general public.

That being said, I'm curious to see the land once it's completed. We all know that Avatar's story sucked, but one thing the film did have going for it was that it was a visually stunning feast for the eyes, and if WDI can tap into that, then I have no doubt that at the very least this new Avatar land will look and feel fantastic. Anyone who has been to Cars Land at DCA can tell you that WDI hasn't lost any of their touch when it comes to creating immersive, intricately themed areas.

As for the actual attractions? I guess we'll just have to wait and see until we get more details, but right now it's no secret that the park is hurting for attractions and any new additions would be a welcome relief? And coupled with the new nighttime entertainment offerings a project like this can only help DAK, not hurt it. At the very least it'll attract a few more people into the park and hopefully keep them there a little longer. And at the most, it becomes a major draw, boosts attendance and profit, and with the added park capacity, TDO closes Expedition Everest for a long overdue major refurbishment where they finally repair the disco Yeti that will have been broken for 10+ years. :)
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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Andrew C said:
So I am thinking that everyone believes Disney did absolutely no research when deciding on this land, along with its attractions, etc? Probably a good idea just to let it open and see what happens.
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I think this is more about striking while the iron is hot, vs waiting like they did for rides/attractions around other successful movies; Star Wars, Indy, Mermaid, Lion King all opened after their popularity had peeked. Whereas Harry and Despicable opened while they were peeking.

It is not unfair to think that Avatar will grow in popularity, however personally I don't believe Avatar will ever be as popular as they believe. But this thinking is why I believe that we should anticipate them moving sooner rather than later on Frozen and next gen Star Wars attractions,whereas they are betting on regional traveling attractions for Marvel.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Rodan75 said:
I think this is more about striking while the iron is hot, vs waiting like they did for rides/attractions around other successful movies; Star Wars, Indy, Mermaid, Lion King all opened after their popularity had peeked. Whereas Harry and Despicable opened while they were peeking.

It is not unfair to think that Avatar will grow in popularity, however personally I don't believe Avatar will ever be as popular as they believe. But this thinking is why I believe that we should anticipate them moving sooner rather than later on Frozen and next gen Star Wars attractions,whereas they are betting on regional traveling attractions for Marvel.
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It's already been 5 years....Avatar is hardly still "hot".
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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Magenta Panther said:
I can give him this much credit - Cameron, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the broken yeti.

As for Rohde, no, he didn't break the yeti. On the other hand, he hasn't fixed it, either.
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Never understood the Yeti blame game. Isn't it only Rohde's fault for poor design? It isn't like you can change the fundamental earth under the attraction.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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James122 said:
Haven't read all 20 pages of this thread, but here are my thoughts on the matter: Like many others I think that building an entire land based on an IP such as Avatar is a risk. Yeah, Avatar made a lot of $$$ at the box office, but it hasn't had the same cultural impact as say, Star Wars or Harry Potter. It's a huge risk, because if the sequels don't do well, it'll be that much harder to market an Avatar land to the general public.
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It's a risk - but if the attractions are good enough no one will care about the original IP.
 
SirLink

SirLink

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unkadug said:
The new mermaid ride is an exact duplicate of the one in Anaheim...how can you blame that on TDO?
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They had multiple options open to TDO for them regarding NFL, the way I hear it they had 5 plans. Rejected all 5, then were informed that they really should pick one for capacity reasons. So picked the cheapest one. Oh what may of been ...
 

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