As older attractions are retired.....

[Crazy Harry]

i dont remember when it was written, but i do know that toad wasnt removed due to poor attendence. it was just as pop as any of the other rides. it was eventually removed because toad wasnt a disney creation, it was (insert correct author here). since disney wanted to add a pooh ride but didnt want to build a new area for it, they put it into toads building, since it would be a pretty easy install.

i want to say r lewis steavenson but i dont think thats right. and i wonder why they never did this in dl, if they even have a pooh ride.

I hate to brake it to you, but Pooh is not a Disney creation either. Neither are the little mermaid, beauty and the beast, peter pan, jungle book, tarzan, snow white ect ect ect.

And they prpobally did not do this in DL because they had another spot to put Pooh: Critter Country.

 

[wolf359]

i dont remember when it was written, but i do know that toad wasnt removed due to poor attendence. it was just as pop as any of the other rides. it was eventually removed because toad wasnt a disney creation, it was (insert correct author here). since disney wanted to add a pooh ride but didnt want to build a new area for it, they put it into toads building, since it would be a pretty easy install.

i want to say r lewis steavenson but i dont think thats right. and i wonder why they never did this in dl, if they even have a pooh ride.

Mr. Toad was from the book The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame.

The reason Mr. Toad's Wild Ride was removed wasn't because he isn't a Disney creation. As it stands none of the Fantasyland characters are Disney creations. Toad was simply a victim of being less popular, so he got the boot in favor of Winnie the Pooh.

As far as the attractions go, I don't think Toad got fewer rider per hour than Pooh gets now, but Pooh sells a lot more merchandise.

 

[menamechris]

The current management at Disney seems to be more interested in refurbishing rides and updating them, so as not to lose the nostalgic aspects of rides, but just bringing them into the new millenium. The Haunted Mansion is a GREAT example of this. To close and replace entire rides would be essentially building a new park.

As to 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, (whether it be true or not) cast member "tradition" or "folk lore" is that it was pulled because the tank was actually beginning to leak into the utilidors underground. This is why another water ride didnt replace it.

As for Snow White closing, I am sure extensive research. What we are going to get with this new coaster will be FAR more innovative and exciting than anything they could have done in refurbishing the current ride. AND we get our own ride! Hasn't it been a huge gripe in recent years that rides are copied at all the parks? Well, now we have the classic at Disneyland, and the new coaster here for Snow White.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm more worried about Jungle Cruise. Why see fake animals when you can see real ones at Animal Kingdom? But it's a classic so I would hate to see it go.

I have nothing to base this on, but my very strong hunch is that the Jungle Cruise is more likely to close for some time and get a major update than be replaced.

 

[NYwdwfan]

I have nothing to base this on, but my very strong hunch is that the Jungle Cruise is more likely to close for some time and get a major update than be replaced.

My fear is the open ended refurb...followed by the King Triton statue of doom in the water one day. :zipit:

 

[wizards8507]

Mr. Toad was from the book The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame.

Using that logic, Winnie the Pooh is from author A. A. Milne. Winnie the Pooh is no more a Disney property than Mr. Toad, the ride of which was based on the Disney adaptation of "The Wind in the Willows," which is one of the two segments of "The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad," released in 1949 (the book originally written in 1908).

 

[Crazy Harry]

Mr. Toad was from the book The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame.

The reason Mr. Toad's Wild Ride was removed wasn't because he isn't a Disney creation. As it stands none of the Fantasyland characters are Disney creations. Toad was simply a victim of being less popular, so he got the boot in favor of Winnie the Pooh.

As far as the attractions go, I don't think Toad got fewer rider per hour than Pooh gets now, but Pooh sells a lot more merchandise.

Don't forget about Mickey, Donald, Goofy ect. And what about Dumbo (I don't know if he is pure Disney or not)?

 

[Crazy Harry]

Using that logic, Winnie the Pooh is from author A. A. Milne. Winnie the Pooh is no more a Disney property than Mr. Toad, the ride of which was based on the Disney adaptation of "The Wind in the Willows," which is one of the two segments of "The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad," released in 1949 (the book originally written in 1908).

You do realize Wolf359 was explaining this to the other guy, right?

 

[menamechris]

I agree. There have been rumblings of a possible JC makeover for a while, but in its present state, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it go. Its original purpose has been completely overshadowed by AK (same as the now-dead Discovery Island). These days, JC's main role seems to be as a campy fan cult favorite. That makes it vulnerable in my mind.

While I totally understand your point, Jungle Cruise is never hurting for guests. It's a "must do" for many people. Not to mention, it was known to be Walt's favorite ride at Disneyland. It would take a very bold and maybe foolish manager/imagineer to suggest just scrapping the ride without an amazing reason. I think Disney gets that people ride the Jungle Cruise to hear the same jokes and banter that have been told for over 50 years. Now a rehab - that would be likely after all these years.

 

[David S.]

The real question is why do new rides have to replace old ones. Why can't they just add new ones and keep the classics. There is plenty of room to expand. MK has far fewer attractions than DL, so it's not too unreasonable to have more attractions in the park.

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

You just hit the nail on the head as to why I consider Disneyland FAR superior to the Magic Kingdom. Other than sadly missing Country Bear Jamboree and Mickey's Philharmagic, and having a still-unused People Mover track, it's Practically Perfect In Every Way. The number of Classics found at Disneyland missing from the MK and not found in any of the other WDW parks is mind-blowing. (approximately 20!) Six alone just in Fantasyland!

Attractions found at Disneyland not found in the MK OR anywhere at WDW:

Matterhorn Bobsleds
Pinocchio's Daring Journey
Alice In Wonderland
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
Casey Jr. Circus Train
Storybook Land Canal Boats
Mickey's House (as of Feb 11)
Minnie's House (as of Feb 11)
Donald's Boat (as of Feb 11)
Goofy's Playhouse
Chip and Dale's Treehouse
Gadget's Go Coaster (equivalent to Barnstormer)
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin
Main Street Cinema
Penny Arcade
Indiana Jones Adventure
Sailing Ship Columbia
Davy Crocket Explorer Canoes
Big Thunder Ranch
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage

(Star Tours, Captain EO, and the Monorail are also Disneyland attractions and not in the MK, but they are found elsewhere on WDW property so I didn't list them. Also, DL still has the ORIGINAL Tiki Room, while WDW has Under New Management.)

Attractions found in the MK not found at Disneyland:

Mickey's Philharmagic
Country Bear Jamboree
Magic Carpets Of Aladdin
Hall Of Presidents (is Mr. Lincoln at DL)
Carousel Of Progress
Stitch's Great Escape
Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor
Peoplemover

 

[pumpkin7]

forget about the ride, they need some new jokes on Jungle Cruise. i expected them all to have different jokes going around, but all cms had the same ones.
i don't think they will close Jungle Cruise. it was pretty popular when we were there in august. same with cbj; the room was packed. they just need to update the animatronics a b it and turn up the darn volume!

 

[dxwwf3]

Nothing is sacred. Nothing.

Over the past few years, I've found this out the hard way all too many times.

 

[slappy magoo]

One of the problems with a makeover of JC is that, for many people, the corniness is part of its appeal. Try to remove some of those decades-old jokes and some people will be just as upset as the people who gripe that it never changes.

I've wondered what it might be like to renovate JC to be more of an adventure ride, a boat-bases equivalent to an Indiana Jones/Dinosaur-type ride. Of course, the problem with that would be the boats themselves don't really pick up speed: "The Mutabi tribe! Let's get out of heeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr (breathe) rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre!" Not particularly exciting. I'd also think they'd worry that any attempt to inject exciting aspects to JC would be to compare it To Jaws over at Uni, which is a bit long in the tooth itself (no pun intended).

 

[wolf359]

Don't forget about Mickey, Donald, Goofy ect. And what about Dumbo (I don't know if he is pure Disney or not)?

Honestly, I had forgot about Mickey's Philharmagic and Dumbo. And Small World, though I guess that's not really a "character" per se.

My point was (and what I should have said in the first place) is that the strong majority of Disney's classic films (and Fantasyland attractions) were all based on material from outside sources, Toad was hardly alone in that distinction.

 

[Dragonrider1227]

I'm defeintly NOT worried about Peter Pan. The ride always has a long ride. ALWAYS!! Snow White's ride? Eh, not so much.
I am a little nervous about Jungle Cruise now that I think about it. I mean, I haven't ridden it since '90 and I'm sure I'm not the only one
We're gonna have to face facts though that in order to make Disney World the constant, up to date, changing environment it's meant to be, someone somewhere is not going to like it and is going to be upset. The out of date, unpopular rides often need to be taken out for something better and more in demand. Yet, at the same time every ride, no matter how low it's attendance appears to be, or how out of date it actually is will be someone's "childhood favorite" or "classic." So basically, "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't."

I wouldn't say anything is impossible, but in my mind, Pan is just maybe one rung below the tier of attractions that are absolutely synonymous with Disney, whether you're a fan or not. (I'd put things like Space Mountain and "it's a small world" in that first tier.) I'd be far more surprised to see it taken out than I am about Snow White.

Agreed. Peter Pan and many of the characters associated with it are very much often linked to Disney. Many people think Disney and think Peter Pan but how many people think Disney and think Mr. Toad? Not so much

 

[Crazy Harry]

Honestly, I had forgot about Mickey's Philharmagic and Dumbo. And Small World, though I guess that's not really a "character" per se.

My point was (and what I should have said in the first place) is that the strong majority of Disney's classic films (and Fantasyland attractions) were all based on material from outside sources, Toad was hardly alone in that distinction.

Agreed, I also commented on this.

 

[Crazy Harry]

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

You just hit the nail on the head as to why I consider Disneyland FAR superior to the Magic Kingdom. Other than sadly missing Country Bear Jamboree and Mickey's Philharmagic, and having a still-unused People Mover track, it's Practically Perfect In Every Way. The number of Classics found at Disneyland missing from the MK and not found in any of the other WDW parks is mind-blowing. (approximately 20!) Six alone just in Fantasyland!

Attractions found at Disneyland not found in the MK OR anywhere at WDW:

Matterhorn Bobsleds
Pinocchio's Daring Journey
Alice In Wonderland
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
Casey Jr. Circus Train
Storybook Land Canal Boats
Mickey's House (as of Feb 11)
Minnie's House (as of Feb 11)
Donald's Boat (as of Feb 11)
Goofy's Playhouse
Chip and Dale's Treehouse
Gadget's Go Coaster (equivalent to Barnstormer)
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin
Main Street Cinema
Penny Arcade
Indiana Jones Adventure
Sailing Ship Columbia
Davy Crocket Explorer Canoes
Big Thunder Ranch
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage

(Star Tours, Captain EO, and the Monorail are also Disneyland attractions and not in the MK, but they are found elsewhere on WDW property so I didn't list them. Also, DL still has the ORIGINAL Tiki Room, while WDW has Under New Management.)

Attractions found in the MK not found at Disneyland:

Mickey's Philharmagic
Country Bear Jamboree
Magic Carpets Of Aladdin
Hall Of Presidents (is Mr. Lincoln at DL)
Carousel Of Progress
Stitch's Great Escape
Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor
Peoplemover

I guess it depends on what you consider an attraction also. If the basis of an attraction is that it attracts people to the park, I'm not sure I would count the penny arcade, any type of boat, or toon town houses. These are things to do when people are in the parks and add to the experience, but likely do not have influence over whether someone comes to the park or not.

Maybe toon town as a whole area could be counted as an attraction. And if you are going to count something unique to DL that has not yet been removed from WDW, than why not include 7 Dwarves and Little Mermaid? In my opinion, I have DL at about plus 5 on the attractions. I think the difference is often overstated.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

While I'm glad CBJ is still at WDW, I also have a feeling it's on borrowed time. It just seems odd for MK management to have more patience with a long-in-the-tooth show like this than DL did. There was a decent crowd when I was there for a show last week, but it also seems like more of a fan favorite than a guest magnet.

DL's Bears featured two theaters which gave more space for a replacement than WDW's. DL's from what I have read was also less attended. The small footprint and decent attendance levels are probably the main reasons the bears are still around here.

I would think the popularity of Peter Pan would keep it around for awhile longer, but you can never say forever. An update to the ride's tech or a new, better Peter Pan ride elsewhere would be welcomed by me though.

 

[Lord Pheonix]

I hate to brake it to you, but Pooh is not a Disney creation either. Neither are the little mermaid, beauty and the beast, peter pan, jungle book, tarzan, snow white ect ect ect.

yeah, i know that, but disney owns at least a part of them because wasnt it disney that made the movies featuring them?

now that i think about it, i think that the toad part not being disney was written here years ago. i dont remember though.

 

[Crazy Harry]

yeah, i know that, but disney owns at least a part of them because wasnt it disney that made the movies featuring them?

now that i think about it, i think that the toad part not being disney was written here years ago. i dont remember though.

Yes, and Disney made an animated film about Toad called The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad. So either you are not remembering what you read correctly, or what you read was wrong. Pooh is as much Disney as Toad; both were originally written by someone else and both were made into films by Disney.

As others have said, Pooh is more well known in pop culture and sells more merch, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.