As older attractions are retired.....

[zooey]

The Country Bears should just go away. I haven't even bother with that ride for years. The Carousel of Progress should be made into a dark ride instead of a show or knock it down although. Peter Pan is tied for the worst ride in Fantasyland along with Pooh and Snow White. They could be better than what they are.

Not that some of the expansion plans are better. Two dumbos....why isnt two enough already (dumbo and the aladdin clone)? and then a princess meet and greet.

I hope you never become what your username suggests you wish to become.

 

[wolf359]

I think it's time the Pan ride got plussed. You're entirely correct, it's very popular (the lines have been pretty dense every time I've visited WDW), but it's also dated. I could see a great new ride being built of it, one that retains some of the simpler, charming aspects of the original attraction with new ride technology. Forget Harry and his broomstick - imagine flying over moonlit London via fairy dust, heading for the second star to the right and bursting into Neverland. Peter and Tinkerbell could lead the way, and we'd be menaced by Hook's flying ship and the man-eating crocodile. It could be a much more magical version of Soarin'. The Pan ride has lots of possibilities for an upgrade. I hope the Imagineers will someday consider it...

First, I want to say I like Philharmagic, but...

I wouldn't mind at all if they gutted the entire building for a Peter Pan that really used the whole space to make an attraction that was E-ticket in scope.

The current Peter Pan makes creative use of a very small space but it's cramped and far too brief to justify the long waits.

But with more room all of the scenes could be expanded and given their due (not the least of which the flight over London, which is about about 98% of the reason anyone likes the current Peter Pan) for better story flow and to keep all of the 20 different audio tracks from bleeding together.

I know the whole point of this thread was to champion the notion of getting something new without losing something in the process, but I think in this case there might be more silver lining than dark cloud in some cases.

 

[PurpleRose]

I don't think the COP is in danger of closing. Not necessarily because of Walt, but because the show itself is really good. It does need an update, yes. But the show fits with Tomorrowland, it's a people eater, and it's really good storytelling.

 

[Magenta Panther]

First, I want to say I like Philharmagic, but...

I wouldn't mind at all if they gutted the entire building for a Peter Pan that really used the whole space to make an attraction that was E-ticket in scope.

The current Peter Pan makes creative use of a very small space but it's cramped and far too brief to justify the long waits.

But with more room all of the scenes could be expanded and given their due (not the least of which the flight over London, which is about about 98% of the reason anyone likes the current Peter Pan) for better story flow and to keep all of the 20 different audio tracks from bleeding together.

I know the whole point of this thread was to champion the notion of getting something new without losing something in the process, but I think in this case there might be more silver lining than dark cloud in some cases.

Oh man, I love Philharmagic, I'd hate to see it go. Although I agree about the space issue in the Pan ride.

 

[wizards8507]

The current Peter Pan makes creative use of a very small space but it's cramped and far too brief to justify the long waits.

What would "justify" a long wait? The fact is, people choose to wait in the line based on the attraction that's already there. What other justification is necessary?

 

[Magenta Panther]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pan replaced if it were replaced with a much longer and better Pan. Right now I never ride it because the ride line is way too long for the actual ride. If they made a real E-ticket version of Pan with fantastic effects and animatronics it would be fantastic. I don't see how anyone would see that as a bad idea.

As it stands, Pan does desperately need an update. Some of the effects are now laughable.

Yep, I've been saying that here myself. And I bet that, because of those long lines, a major refurb could someday happen. Here's hoping and wishing...

 

[FutureCEO]

Oh man, I love Philharmagic, I'd hate to see it go. Although I agree about the space issue in the Pan ride.

you could move Philharmagic to the Studios

 

[wolf359]

What would "justify" a long wait? The fact is, people choose to wait in the line based on the attraction that's already there. What other justification is necessary?

Well, if Peter Pan were a ten minute ride instead of a two minute one, waiting 45 minutes to ride would certainly seem a lot more worth it, wouldn't it? Are you saying you've never weighed the length of an attraction when deciding if you really want to wait "__" number of minutes?

 

[wizards8507]

Well, if Peter Pan were a ten minute ride instead of a two minute one, waiting 45 minutes to ride would certainly seem a lot more worth it, wouldn't it? Are you saying you've never weighed the length of an attraction when deciding if you really want to wait "__" number of minutes?

Of course I have. And on that, I've only ever ridden Peter Pan during Extra Magic Hours or via Fastpass, because I agree with you that it isn't worth the wait it jacks up. Regardless of what you or I think though, the majority of guests seem happy to sit in line for sometimes over an hour, so there's no reason why WDW management should bother improving or lengthening the ride just because of a few disgruntled message boarders.

 

[wolf359]

Of course I have. And on that, I've only ever ridden Peter Pan during Extra Magic Hours or via Fastpass, because I agree with you that it isn't worth the wait it jacks up. Regardless of what you or I think though, the majority of guests seem happy to sit in line for sometimes over an hour, so there's no reason why WDW management should bother improving or lengthening the ride just because of a few disgruntled message boarders.

I agree.

Though at the same time Disney must know Peter Pan is actually popular (as opposed to just having long waits because of the slow load) and a superior and improved attraction would go over well even with the silent majority that accept the long waits for the current attraction.

If you would have asked me five years ago what the chances were Disney would consider building a new Snow White attraction and close the original I'd have thought the idea was pretty far fetched. And yet here we are...

 

[daliseurat]

Toad was retired because of three things.

1. Pooh was a popular character with the potential to sell merchandise and needed a home. They had already designed the ride for Tokyo, but of course we got the cheaper version.

2. Toad was not a popular character with most people, or even well known. The lines for Toad were usually shorter than all other attraction in the area that would have been appropriate for a Pooh attraction, which they wanted in Fantasyland where there are more small children who will want to ride it and beg for Pooh toys.

3. Toad was in need of a major refurbishment. Management had to weigh the cost of refurb vs brand new attraction. Since they wanted Pooh anyway, they had no problem making the choice.

Certainly arguments can be made about the choice, but WDW Management has historically made some lousy moves. 20,000 Leaagues anyone?

I forget where I got the Toad info, but it may have been at a Disneyana con, from an imagineer who spoke.

 

[Magenta Panther]

you could move Philharmagic to the Studios

Hey, that's not a bad idea!