Art of Animation Resort construction Pics from "Behind The Walls" of POP Century.

Master Yoda

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I understand the effectiveness of synergy, but I don't believe that characters need to be everywhere. Someone before stated that Pop Century isn't Disney because it has no recognizable characters except for Lady and the Tramp, but I like it that way. I want to see the characters in the park (where it makes sense for them appear), but I don't necessarily want that from my hotel. Maybe I'm in the minority.

They've added characters to the carpet at the Grand Floridian. Why? Even if they didn't finish the Legendary Years, I would've like to have seen a more original concept or theme for the hotel. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't actually affect my love for Disney and by no means would it affect me planning a vacation as I would probably stay at one of the other hotels, but I'd personally just like to see them step a little more outside the box.
While I agree every time Disney does step out of said box they get slapped by the general public (ie 95% of their client base). If the name "Disney" is attached to anything people expect characters. Epcot is a perfect example. Initially it was done character free save for Dreamfinder and Figment and guests lost their minds about it.
 

jhastings74

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Unfortunately for you, I'm afraid the more likely scenario is that Pop! is going to be turned into Animation resorts as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this concept is a MAJOR success.


Which makes me wonder: What in the WORLD will they do with all of those 3 and 4-story tall icons from the buildings? Sure, I'd love the giant yo-yo....but I just don't think it'll fit in my garage. :) It does make me think about what piece of PoP I would love to have if they sold them off...
 

Ignohippo

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Which makes me wonder: What in the WORLD will they do with all of those 3 and 4-story tall icons from the buildings? Sure, I'd love the giant yo-yo....but I just don't think it'll fit in my garage. :) It does make me think about what piece of PoP I would love to have if they sold them off...

MAny of them may work around DTD...
 

Bolna

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I agree with what you're saying about the pirate rooms in the Caribbean Resort. That's an odd fit. But these are VALUE resorts. They aren't going to spend the cash to make the building look like a pirate ship and then charge only $99 a night for it. Personally, I don't think full-price large size resorts for any of these properties (besides maybe CARS) would be successful.

In this case, "theming" is decorating. Personally, I think it's a fantastic idea and one that I hope they expand on.

Well, the thing I don't like, is that indeed these rooms are sold as great "story-telling". See this post on the Disney Parks Blog. Here they are specifically called "Disney Story Rooms". And my argument would be that they don't tell a story, they showcase elements which are taken from a story, but that is different. Let's take the pirate rooms: if you were to tell the story of being a pirate, the bed would not look like a ship, but would either be a hammock (yes, not very practical in a hotel... ;) ) or maybe a heavily decorated old fashioned bed if you were to stay in the captain quarters. The bed being a ship actually takes you out of the story.

However, I also think that this a larger trend all over Disney that instead of inventing new stories - like travelling on a train in the foothills of Mt Everest and encountering the Yeti - or travelling through a Haunted Mansion encountering various ghosts - they just rely on stories which already have been told before. It is not only the Animation Resort, it is also most of the recent projects - from the Beauty and the Beast restaurant in the FLE to Carsland and Avatarland. This of course has always been part of the parks since the beginning, but not in that exclusivity and scope as it seems to be done today.

I get the feeling that they don't trust their audience anymore to be able to have the fantasy to live inside stories which haven't been played out in detail for them before. And that I think is sad. Where else do you have the possibility to imagine to be in a far away place which might be different for me from the place you imagine to be in because there is the space for our imagination to shape the place?

And to your argument about those rooms only being at the values: Well, the cheapest rate at AoAR is $ 97 for a weekday in value season, in the summer it is $ 139 for the weekday, $ 164 for the weekend, actually $ 5 more expensive than Pop. And the suites at AoAR start at $ 249. Not really cheap accommodation in any case. If you look at the Royal Rooms at POR, those start at $ 189 in Value season. And depending on view/location, in the summer they could cost up to $ 265 for a weekend night. Christmas and Easter would be even more expensive. For the Royal Rooms the premium for the decoration is between $ 30 and $ 40 per night!
 

MickeyPeace

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The thing that I don't like about that new resort is that to me it isn't really a themed resort, it's just decorated.

I know it is the same with the other existing value resort, but somehow this seems to be the trend with Disney resorts now as those Pirate/Princess rooms at the moderates have the same problem to me. The original resorts transport you to a different location: the Polynesian Islands, a lodge in the mountains, a safari lodge in Africa, mansions along a river in the South etc. The create a new place and everything fits that theme, your room looks like it might be a guest room in a mansion, a safari lodge etc. You can pretend to be somewhere else.

With the value decorations you are not going anywhere, you are at a motel in WDW, it's just a dressed up variety. And the same goes for those Pirate/Princess rooms. I know that I can avoid them by just not booking them, but I still don't like them. They are overly decorated and I think a Pirate themed room should not be located in a building themed to a picturesque Caribbean village, but maybe in a fort or even in a ship! And a princess themed room needs to be in a castle, not in a Southern mansion.

I second that. Excellent post.
 

Ignohippo

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Well, the thing I don't like, is that indeed these rooms are sold as great "story-telling". See this post on the Disney Parks Blog. Here they are specifically called "Disney Story Rooms". And my argument would be that they don't tell a story, they showcase elements which are taken from a story, but that is different. Let's take the pirate rooms: if you were to tell the story of being a pirate, the bed would not look like a ship, but would either be a hammock (yes, not very practical in a hotel... ;) ) or maybe a heavily decorated old fashioned bed if you were to stay in the captain quarters. The bed being a ship actually takes you out of the story.

However, I also think that this a larger trend all over Disney that instead of inventing new stories - like travelling on a train in the foothills of Mt Everest and encountering the Yeti - or travelling through a Haunted Mansion encountering various ghosts - they just rely on stories which already have been told before. It is not only the Animation Resort, it is also most of the recent projects - from the Beauty and the Beast restaurant in the FLE to Carsland and Avatarland. This of course has always been part of the parks since the beginning, but not in that exclusivity and scope as it seems to be done today.

I get the feeling that they don't trust their audience anymore to be able to have the fantasy to live inside stories which haven't been played out in detail for them before. And that I think is sad. Where else do you have the possibility to imagine to be in a far away place which might be different for me from the place you imagine to be in because there is the space for our imagination to shape the place?

And to your argument about those rooms only being at the values: Well, the cheapest rate at AoAR is $ 97 for a weekday in value season, in the summer it is $ 139 for the weekday, $ 164 for the weekend, actually $ 5 more expensive than Pop. And the suites at AoAR start at $ 249. Not really cheap accommodation in any case. If you look at the Royal Rooms at POR, those start at $ 189 in Value season. And depending on view/location, in the summer they could cost up to $ 265 for a weekend night. Christmas and Easter would be even more expensive. For the Royal Rooms the premium for the decoration is between $ 30 and $ 40 per night!


Well, I agree with you about the price, which is why our family has never stayed in any of the "value" resorts. At almost any time of the year, we can find hotel rooms at the Dolphin for between $129 and (at most) $169 a night, or stay at the BuenaVista Palace for between $89 and $129, so the cheesy value resort motels really aren't price affective.

My biggest complaint is that (even trying to save money) they could have done A LOT more with the interiors of the rooms. The pics on the walls look like posters in a cheap poster frame and the furniture looks like it's as cheap as possible. With just some paint effects (or wallpaper), they could've made the LM rooms look like they're underwater, the LK rooms could've had a cool jungle look and the CARS rooms could've been a lot more appealing to race fans.

I still say though, that these are Disney's value resorts and the interiors are on par with how much you're paying for the room. If the rooms were amazingly themed, they'd expect you to pay much, much more for them. They aren't going to design a $99 hotel room to be more appealing than a $269 per night one.
 

alissafalco

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Just came back from a 9 day trip with the family. Here are some interesting pictures that I took from the bridge separating POP Century and the Art Of Animation. I have not seen anything of the sort of the boards yet. Thought that I might interest some of you.

Great pics! Thanks for sharing!! The resort looks huge!
 

WDW1974

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Well, the thing I don't like, is that indeed these rooms are sold as great "story-telling". See this post on the Disney Parks Blog. Here they are specifically called "Disney Story Rooms". And my argument would be that they don't tell a story, they showcase elements which are taken from a story, but that is different. Let's take the pirate rooms: if you were to tell the story of being a pirate, the bed would not look like a ship, but would either be a hammock (yes, not very practical in a hotel... ;) ) or maybe a heavily decorated old fashioned bed if you were to stay in the captain quarters. The bed being a ship actually takes you out of the story.

However, I also think that this a larger trend all over Disney that instead of inventing new stories - like travelling on a train in the foothills of Mt Everest and encountering the Yeti - or travelling through a Haunted Mansion encountering various ghosts - they just rely on stories which already have been told before. It is not only the Animation Resort, it is also most of the recent projects - from the Beauty and the Beast restaurant in the FLE to Carsland and Avatarland. This of course has always been part of the parks since the beginning, but not in that exclusivity and scope as it seems to be done today.

I get the feeling that they don't trust their audience anymore to be able to have the fantasy to live inside stories which haven't been played out in detail for them before. And that I think is sad. Where else do you have the possibility to imagine to be in a far away place which might be different for me from the place you imagine to be in because there is the space for our imagination to shape the place?

And to your argument about those rooms only being at the values: Well, the cheapest rate at AoAR is $ 97 for a weekday in value season, in the summer it is $ 139 for the weekday, $ 164 for the weekend, actually $ 5 more expensive than Pop. And the suites at AoAR start at $ 249. Not really cheap accommodation in any case. If you look at the Royal Rooms at POR, those start at $ 189 in Value season. And depending on view/location, in the summer they could cost up to $ 265 for a weekend night. Christmas and Easter would be even more expensive. For the Royal Rooms the premium for the decoration is between $ 30 and $ 40 per night!

Great post. Perfectly said.

I think all these new characterized rooms do is shill the Disney BRAND while taking you out of the story. It's much like how the MK has been watered down over the years to where the lands have very little meaning.

The stories are now background to selling the Disney BRAND.

A great example is how amazing the backstories and histories of the resorts used to be in the 80s and 90s. When you checked into resorts such as CBR, PO, DL, WL, BC etc ... you received what amounted to a newspaper on high quality paperstock with great logos/artwork that told the 'history' of the resort while explaning everything from transport options to where you could buy that Mickey tee to making dining ressies, but all tied in was an intricate backstory that 'splained why things were designed the way they were. It was amazing. And part of the Disney MAGIC. Now, you get a tiny Walmarted version at some resorts and a folded basic map at others.

Why bother selling a theme when it really doesn't matter? You are selling the BRAND ... and DVC too. That's toons and Jack Sparrow and now ... let's see we have John Carter of Mars and the Avengers and Brave coming up ... maybe we can have rooms themed to them one day.:hurl:
 

lebeau

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If that is what the majority of Disney's customers want, why is Disney at fault for giving it to them?

It is a commonly held belief around these parts that Disney should not make decisions based on what the majority of their guests want. Instead, Disney should base their decisions on the desires of the less than 1% of guests who actively participate in forum discussions. A small percentage that in all honesty will continue to spend their money at Disney no matter what they do.

That makes perfect sense, right? :confused:

And since the tiny vocal minority on the forum can't even reach a consensus on most things, what these posters really believe is that Disney should cater to them. But most aren't honest enough to admit that.

Frequently when fans complain about a trend, it's because Disney is catering to the vast majority of their paying guests.
 

G00fyDad

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If that is what the majority of Disney's customers want, why is Disney at fault for giving it to them?

True. It seems that some people forget that they may be in the minority when it comes to things "Disney". They do not like what ever it may be that Disney is doing and they cannot understand why Disney is even bothering with it. The fact is, the majority of people do want whatever it is that Disney is doing. Contrary to what some think, TDO doesn't just sit around in a room and think up ways to screw around with the company and the parks. LOL I agree with you, it is what the majority of the people want that makes up Disney's mind to do things. Focus groups and general polling.

All that being said, I am dissapointed as well that they continue to put characters in spots when an attraction closes. But I suppose that is what the majority wants. :) I do not have a problem with Disney decorating a "value" resort with characters though. That is what the Value resorts themes are all about. Characters and larger than life items like football helmets, Big Wheels, Foosball, Lady and the Tramp, Woody and Buzz, etc... I have to agree with previous posters though when I say that they need to keep the "Disney" at the other resorts to a minimum. It does seem that they are going a little overboard and saturating the designs with "not so hidden mickeys". I mean, if you're paying the goofy stupid price for a Deluxe then you shouldn't have to be drowned by Disney characters and Disney theming every time you look around. BUT, in keeping the "over-theming" and characters out, Disney should still keep the design up to Disney high quality standards.
 

Master Yoda

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Premium Member
It is a commonly held belief around these parts that Disney should not make decisions based on what the majority of their guests want. Instead, Disney should base their decisions on the desires of the less than 1% of guests who actively participate in forum discussions. A small percentage that in all honesty will continue to spend their money at Disney no matter what they do.

That makes perfect sense, right? :confused:

And since the tiny vocal minority on the forum can't even reach a consensus on most things, what these posters really believe is that Disney should cater to them. But most aren't honest enough to admit that.

Frequently when fans complain about a trend, it's because Disney is catering to the vast majority of their paying guests.
Yeah....I don't know what I was thinking.:D
 

Master Yoda

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True. It seems that some people forget that they may be in the minority when it comes to things "Disney". They do not like what ever it may be that Disney is doing and they cannot understand why Disney is even bothering with it. The fact is, the majority of people do want whatever it is that Disney is doing. Contrary to what some think, TDO doesn't just sit around in a room and think up ways to screw around with the company and the parks. LOL I agree with you, it is what the majority of the people want that makes up Disney's mind to do things. Focus groups and general polling.

All that being said, I am dissapointed as well that they continue to put characters in spots when an attraction closes. But I suppose that is what the majority wants. :) I do not have a problem with Disney decorating a "value" resort with characters though. That is what the Value resorts themes are all about. Characters and larger than life items like football helmets, Big Wheels, Foosball, Lady and the Tramp, Woody and Buzz, etc... I have to agree with previous posters though when I say that they need to keep the "Disney" at the other resorts to a minimum. It does seem that they are going a little overboard and saturating the designs with "not so hidden mickeys". I mean, if you're paying the goofy stupid price for a Deluxe then you shouldn't have to be drowned by Disney characters and Disney theming every time you look around. BUT, in keeping the "over-theming" and characters out, Disney should still keep the design up to Disney high quality standards.
If you are referring to meet n greets, this is purely guest demand. If management had its way there would not be a single meet n greet in WDW as most attractions operate at a much lower cost per guest than a meet n greet.

If you are talking about characters being put into attractions they previously were not in, then while I do not care for it, it is hard to argue with the results. I loved the old Living Seas but most of what that pavilion was is lost on the average guest causing it to be operating on life support for quite some time. In came a little clown fish and the place is hopping once again.
 

G00fyDad

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If you are referring to meet n greets, this is purely guest demand. If management had its way there would not be a single meet n greet in WDW as most attractions operate at a much lower cost per guest than a meet n greet.

If you are talking about characters being put into attractions they previously were not in, then while I do not care for it, it is hard to argue with the results. I loved the old Living Seas but most of what that pavilion was is lost on the average guest causing it to be operating on life support for quite some time. In came a little clown fish and the place is hopping once again.

Sorry. I meant the meet-n-greets. :) I'd rather have a station in each park like EPCOT has and have all of them in one area for this. Then they could have a few characters throughout the parks, but not for meet-n-greets, just for the "show" effect. But again, I think I may be in the minority here so it will likely never happen. :rolleyes:
 

Master Yoda

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Sorry. I meant the meet-n-greets. :) I'd rather have a station in each park like EPCOT has and have all of them in one area for this. Then they could have a few characters throughout the parks, but not for meet-n-greets, just for the "show" effect. But again, I think I may be in the minority here so it will likely never happen. :rolleyes:
We unfortunately are. Character meets use to be random and somewhat special but due to so many guests demanding such an experience they were forced to set up a hug n shove assembly line.
 

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