Are we being cheated?

[RobFL]

Come to think of it.. all this talk brought it up..

I know someone who was injured working Cranium Command because of a plastic bottle cap from a water bottle.

It is serious cuz she was hurt, but its also funny because even the most harmless attraction can be dangerous due to an overpriced bottle of water

-Rob

 

[RobFL]

Oops.. Lost track..

Dah-dah-dah--Dah! BOOM!

-Rob

 

[Herbie53]

Originally posted by RobFL
Oh.. c'mon..

How can you not love "Illuminations.. Reflections of Earth.." *poof* and then thud... thud.. thud.. "Mommy what's going on..?" thud thud thud... "I think the power is out again.." thud thud thudthudthud zzzzzzzzaaaaaAAHHHH! BOOM! Doot, doot, doot, doot.. BOOM!

Ooo... Ahhh....

-Rob

Very nice sound effects! It got the music going in my head.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Innocent people are not getting hurt on Disney rides. If that were the case, the rides would be shut down. Every injury I have ever heard of has been do to someone being stupid and going where they don't belong, like the kid getting mangled in the ride motors. The only ride listed that counts for being closed a while (being that this is a disney world site) is Test Track, and it was closed due to HEIGHTENED safety standards--the ride was not safe enough as it was originally constructed. As for the closures you listed, allow me to list all the new attractions in that same time:

MK--Magic Carpets of Aladdin, Legend of the Lion King (and now PhilharMagic), The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, Alien Encounter, Timekeeper, Share a Dream Come True
Epcot--Test Track, Mission: SPACE, Ellen's Energy Adventure, Journey Into Imagination with Figment, Food Rocks, IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth, Tapestry, Blast and Shockwave
MGM--Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Fantasmic!, One Man's Dream, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Stars and Cars
Animal Kingdom-Festival of the Lion King, Pocahontas and Her Forest Friends, Kilimanjaro Safaris, Pangani Forest, Conservation Station, Flights of Wonder, Kali River Rapids, the forest in Asia, Dinosaur, Primeval Whirl, TriceraTop Spin, It's Tough to Be a Bug!, Mickey's Jammin' Jungle Parade
Others--Blizzard Beach, Downtown Disney West Side, Once Upon a Toy, Rainforest Cafe (both), Wide World of Sports, All-Star Resort, Pop Century Resort, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, Wilderness Lodge Villas, Disney Institute, Beach Club Villas, Boardwalk, Boardwalk Villas.

You cannot even ATTEMPT to tell me there are fewer attractions at the parks now.

As for park prices--Sea World and Universal Orland charge more for their one-day passes, and they are all about $7 more than most Six Flags one-day passes, so I say Disney is right in line with the industry, and I guarantee all these parks decrease hours during their off-season. Amusement/Theme Parks are, in general, expensive. And I guarantee you disney has built more in the past eight years than these other parks.

 

[Herbie53]

You can't prevent all accidents, and no one (not even Disney) has a perfect track record. My understanding has always been that Disney has a very good safety record by industry standards. Am I wrong?

 

[pheneix]

>>>If that were the case, the rides would be shut down.<<<

You'd be surprised at how much Disney gets away with in a self-regulated environment.

>>>MK--Magic Carpets of Aladdin, Legend of the Lion King (and now PhilharMagic), The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, Alien Encounter, Timekeeper, Share a Dream Come True<<<

None of which replaced the attractions mentioned (and all of which were replacements themselves, not additions, with the exception of the spinner whose only claim to fame is destroying the continuity of Adventureland), and one of which is a parade, which is not a true attraction.

>>>Epcot--Test Track, Mission: SPACE, Ellen's Energy Adventure, Journey Into Imagination with Figment, Food Rocks, IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth, Tapestry, Blast and Shockwave<<<

All are replacements (and astonishingly poor ones at that) or shows done by outside vendors which come and go at a rapid rate. Oh yeah, you listed a parade too.

>>>MGM--Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Fantasmic!, One Man's Dream, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Stars and Cars<<<

The only park with real additions, and you counted a parade as an addition.

>>>Animal Kingdom-Festival of the Lion King, Pocahontas and Her Forest Friends, Kilimanjaro Safaris, Pangani Forest, Conservation Station, Flights of Wonder, Kali River Rapids, the forest in Asia, Dinosaur, Primeval Whirl, TriceraTop Spin, It's Tough to Be a Bug!, Mickey's Jammin' Jungle Parade<<<

It is also a new park.

>>>Blizzard Beach, Downtown Disney West Side, Once Upon a Toy, Rainforest Cafe (both), Wide World of Sports, All-Star Resort, Pop Century Resort, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, Wilderness Lodge Villas, Disney Institute, Beach Club Villas, Boardwalk, Boardwalk Villas.<<<

Those aren't theme park attractions either.

>>>As for park prices--Sea World and Universal Orland charge more for their one-day passes<<<

Universal is in the process spending a lot money and will soon be spending a TON of money on new additions. For a company of their size, a price increase is justifyable.

>>>And I guarantee you disney has built more in the past eight years than these other parks.<<<

Using your criteria and time frame:

Universal Studios: Hercules and Xena, Terminator 2, Fievel's Playland (no, not the guy who posts here), Curious George's playland, Woody the Woodpecker's Kidzone (more of a rebranding of the other areas, but since you considered parades), A Day in the Park with Barney, Twister, MIB, New Horror Make-Up Show, new Beetlejuice show, Animal Actors Stage, and who knows what I'm forgetting.

IOA: the whole park

Citywalk, new resorts, pretty much everything that makes the resort it is today was added.

I can't speak for Sea World, since I haven't been there in ages.

 

[pheneix]

>>>My understanding has always been that Disney has a very good safety record by industry standards.<<<

Which are set so that parks like Six Flags can meet them. In other words, that's not saying much.

 

[TravisMT81]

Um I wouldn't drink Orlando water, I use my brita pitcher at home

 

[Herbie53]

Originally posted by pheneix
>>>My understanding has always been that Disney has a very good safety record by industry standards.<<<

Which are set so that parks like Six Flags can meet them. In other words, that's not saying much.

The rides at Disney are not designed to be more dangerous than the rides at Six Flags. If the safety standards are sufficient enough to make me feel safe at one park, then they should make me feel safe at all parks.

 

[RobFL]

Disney doesn't use Orlando water.

It has its own source and system.

-Rob

 

[CAPTAIN HOOK]

Originally posted by disneydudette
I agree with u .....

the hours over christmas are like 9 to 10, 11, 12.....in August they're 9 to 6 (welll the week we're going).....yet I am paying the exact same in ticket price.....

I don't like it one bit...but oh-well what can ya do?!?!

I hear what you're saying...........but if the prices of tickets reflected the amount of time you spent in the parks or dictated which part of the year you visit then I can foresee at least two problems :
1) WDW could only sell daily admission tickets or hopper tickets to be used within (for example) seven days of purchase,
2) more people would be drawn to planning their visit when admission prices were cheaper thus causing overcrowding during the cheaper seasons and with less time to see everything there's going to be a lot more unhappy people.

I think its a catch 22 situation and we have to put up with what we get - you pay relatively more for your ticket and spend less time in the park but tend not to wait in line as long, Or, you get more time in the parks but spend it waiting in line :veryconfu

 

[ToTBellHop]

Originally posted by pheneix
>>>If that were the case, the rides would be shut down.<<<

You'd be surprised at how much Disney gets away with in a self-regulated environment.

>>>MK--Magic Carpets of Aladdin, Legend of the Lion King (and now PhilharMagic), The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Buzz Lightyear, Alien Encounter, Timekeeper, Share a Dream Come True<<<

None of which replaced the attractions mentioned (and all of which were replacements themselves, not additions, with the exception of the spinner whose only claim to fame is destroying the continuity of Adventureland), and one of which is a parade, which is not a true attraction.

>>>Epcot--Test Track, Mission: SPACE, Ellen's Energy Adventure, Journey Into Imagination with Figment, Food Rocks, IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth, Tapestry, Blast and Shockwave<<<

All are replacements (and astonishingly poor ones at that) or shows done by outside vendors which come and go at a rapid rate. Oh yeah, you listed a parade too.

>>>MGM--Tower of Terror, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Fantasmic!, One Man's Dream, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Stars and Cars<<<

The only park with real additions, and you counted a parade as an addition.

>>>Animal Kingdom-Festival of the Lion King, Pocahontas and Her Forest Friends, Kilimanjaro Safaris, Pangani Forest, Conservation Station, Flights of Wonder, Kali River Rapids, the forest in Asia, Dinosaur, Primeval Whirl, TriceraTop Spin, It's Tough to Be a Bug!, Mickey's Jammin' Jungle Parade<<<

It is also a new park.

>>>Blizzard Beach, Downtown Disney West Side, Once Upon a Toy, Rainforest Cafe (both), Wide World of Sports, All-Star Resort, Pop Century Resort, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, Wilderness Lodge Villas, Disney Institute, Beach Club Villas, Boardwalk, Boardwalk Villas.<<<

Those aren't theme park attractions either.

>>>As for park prices--Sea World and Universal Orland charge more for their one-day passes<<<

Universal is in the process spending a lot money and will soon be spending a TON of money on new additions. For a company of their size, a price increase is justifyable.

>>>And I guarantee you disney has built more in the past eight years than these other parks.<<<

Using your criteria and time frame:

Universal Studios: Hercules and Xena, Terminator 2, Fievel's Playland (no, not the guy who posts here), Curious George's playland, Woody the Woodpecker's Kidzone (more of a rebranding of the other areas, but since you considered parades), A Day in the Park with Barney, Twister, MIB, New Horror Make-Up Show, new Beetlejuice show, Animal Actors Stage, and who knows what I'm forgetting.

IOA: the whole park

Citywalk, new resorts, pretty much everything that makes the resort it is today was added.

I can't speak for Sea World, since I haven't been there in ages.

Whatever...you are just being stubborn. Perhaps you should stop being so against the new Disney; it is ever changing and most people like all the new attractions (look at their lines). FYI: Parades are attractions at Disney World, and if you think all of Disney World rests on the Theme Parks, you are missing quite a bit of the World, my friend. I won't even go into the quality of Islands of Adventure, as this is the wrong forum for that--suffice it to say I hate the park. I don't honestly see the problem in replacing unpopular attractions (don't go on the "THEY WERE POPULAR" tangent...I saw the lines myself) and as for Epcot replacements, by contract the pavillions must be redone every ten years.

 

[bearboysnc]

and as for Epcot replacements, by contract the pavillions must be redone every ten years.

The problem is... instead of spending those 10 years thinking about how to create a wonderful new attraction... they spend 6 months figuring out how to update it cheaply.

 

[Terp02]

I really can't stand all this complaining. I mean don't you understand that Disney's stock is extremely low which means a lower budget. The big issue that needs to be addressed is that Disney needs to sell everything that is not related to Animated Films and Theme Parks, since they are the only truly profitable avenues. That is my opinion anyway.

And pheneix, I'm starting to worry about what you said about an executive. I'm thinking the worst case scenarios are going to happen (bankruptcy, corruption, selling the theme parks, making more horrible movies, being bought out). PLEASE DON'T LET THIS BE SO!

 

[TURKEY]

Originally posted by RobFL
Disney doesn't use Orlando water.

It has its own source and system.

-Rob

You still get plenty of germs from the water fountain. Just think of all the people that put their mouths on the fountain. :hurl: :hurl: :hurl: :hurl:

I'd much rather spend $2.50 on a bottle of water.

 

[WDW1971]

Hours for December

My wife and I are going to WDW in early December...does anyone know what the hours will be then?

By the way, I'm new to this forum...please bear with me!

 

[disneyisbest]

Originally posted by RobFL
The only fireworks showw that ever gets canceled is at the MK.

It's not the best, so i don't see why people get so upset. It very much a generic fireworks show with the MK as a backdrop. Go watch Fanasmic or Illumninations, real "shows" not just Fireworks.

-Rob

I agree rob. The fireworks at the kingdom is definitely the least entertaining night time show.

 

[disneyisbest]

MK is open until nine most saturdays in the fall. Not to mentioin these times are not etched in stone. I was ther in late September two years ago and MK was scheduled to close at nine. However we checked at City Hall that night to see about E- Ride and he told us then that there was no E-Ride that night but that the park would be open until 11 when on the schedule it said it was going to be open until 9. I guess it just depends on how Disney feels the week is going.

 

[pheneix]

>>>You still get plenty of germs from the water fountain. Just think of all the people that put their mouths on the fountain.<<<

That's why you "hover" over it. Kind of like how you never actually sit down on a public toilet, but kind of squat over it.

>>>Disney needs to sell everything that is not related to Animated Films and Theme Parks, since they are the only truly profitable avenues.<<<

I really think they could have turned the networks into a valuable ally, ABC would have been wonderful for high quality programs like "Disneyland After Dark." But Disney has killed ABC, so it's all worthless now. They have some good performing networks (ESPN, SoapNet), but they don't lend themselves to the kind of synergy that Disney needs.

>>>I'm thinking the worst case scenarios are going to happen (bankruptcy, corruption, selling the theme parks, making more horrible movies, being bought out). PLEASE DON'T LET THIS BE SO!<<<

Well, I have to break it to you, but Disney is spiralling downward so quickly that these are all very possible outcomes. But what I was alluding to wasn't that bad, although it will definitely destroy Disney's fanbase. On the balance sheet, the idea sounds perfect, but in reality it is a horrible, horrible idea. Stay tuned.

>>>Whatever...you are just being stubborn.<<<

No, you are.

>>>Perhaps you should stop being so against the new Disney<<<

I will when they start making changes that aren't terrible.

>>>it is ever changing and most people like all the new attractions<<<

Yeah, right... I'll let DCA's attendance speak for itself.

>>>FYI: Parades are attractions at Disney World<<<

No, it's live entertainment that is rotated out on a regular basis. It is nothing like an attraction which is an investment for the long haul.

>>>I won't even go into the quality of Islands of Adventure, as this is the wrong forum for that--suffice it to say I hate the park.<<<

If the Disney name were slapped on it you would love it. I can see it now, "IOA is now the best theme park in Orlando. It is packed with Magic (All Rights Reserved) so much that I was overloaded by it all!"

>>>don't go on the "THEY WERE POPULAR" tangent...I saw the lines myself<<<

So Journey Into Imagination had a shorter line than HISTA. Did it ever occur to you that JII had a capacity that was at least 4 times that of the movie next door?

 

[TURKEY]

Originally posted by pheneix
>>>You still get plenty of germs from the water fountain. Just think of all the people that put their mouths on the fountain.<<<

That's why you "hover" over it. Kind of like how you never actually sit down on a public toilet, but kind of squat over it.

Too bad over half the people I ever see drinking out of them don't. They put their mouth right on it.