Figment2005
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Appalling state of the monorail cabins
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The Conquer
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When I was kid I used to think the conector between the monorail cabins was tinfoil or something like that.
The Conquer
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That is truly disgusting.But it's not Disney who doesn't clean well it's the guests.It runs from 9:00 am till 2 hours after park close so there is bound to be some messes along the way.
That is truly disgusting.But it's not Disney who doesn't clean well it's the guests.It runs from 9:00 am till 2 hours after park close so there is bound to be some messes along the way.
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lazyboy97o
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Disney decides the hours of operation.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
They are building a Military because Ol Vlad is scaring the the bejeesus out of them.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Ya know in the corporate world outside of DIsney we call anyone who's not an individual contributor below the 'C level' people a 'Manager' they generally have budgets and are eligible for bonuses and have authority to do stuff,
It appears that Disney likes to call people 'Managers' so they don't have to pay OT, But in reality they are little more than shift supervisors since as you note they are not eligible for bonuses.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
And whether to unleash a full cleaning crew or one CM who gives the train a desultory vacuuming and trash pick up
Rutt
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Nope, they aren't a lot of the stuff they're being compared to in dumb analogies.
What they are is a business, much like any other business. And much like any other business they do stupid things and things that annoy you and I. Occasionally, they make a good decision. It is perfectly acceptable to applaud them when they make that decision or take that first step.
I don't understand why so many people have a problem with that. Does it really bug you that much if someone appreciates it?
Cesar R M
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Its you who dont understand that they should have been keeping with the maintenance from day zero.
Applauding them for doing something they were EXPECTED to do from the start but neglected for years is silly.
lazyboy97o
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There is no evidence this is a first step. Disney, as a much smaller business, defined the premier theme park experience. This is not some two-bit operation that is learning it's way forward and struggling. A premium business doesn't need coddling.
And the problem with appreciating poor decisions and behavior patterns is that it reinforces those bad decisions and behaviors. The constant praise for doing the minimum is why so much is consistently left to fall apart. This isn't just some hypothetical issue about "ruined vacations" either. A similar strategy was in place at Disneyland and it killed two guests.
jakeman
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In your corporate world maybe, but not in all. We have managers and directors at my job. Both are below "C" level and they both have different functions.
The Conquer
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Yes, I know but even when it closes Disney transportation closes 2 hours after park closes
lazyboy97o
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So?Yes, I know but even when it closes Disney transportation closes 2 hours after park closes
s8film40
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I don't think the hours of operation are relevant to this situation. I understand that with less downtime there is less time to clean/maintenance the trains. However less downtime also means that the park is open later due to larger crowds or separately ticketed special events. This means the company is generating much higher revenue. With higher revenue and shorter downtime they should be increasing their custodial/maintenance budgets for those days to compensate. If anything with less downtime the trains should be in better condition with all that extra money pouring in.
Rutt
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You don't think having less time to maintain the trains is relevant? You can't buy extra hours during the day, so having all the money in the world won't help that.
Also, anyone who thinks that they can just take a train out of circulation for a short period of time without chaos ensuing, just go ahead and read the monorails down thread on this very forum.
Rutt
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We're talking about appreciating good decisions, not poor ones. Refurbishing a train is a good decision. And I've found that the constant and whining that permeates this current generation has done much more to ruin 'vacations' than anything Disney is doing.
Again, if you don't like what they're doing fine, but it does not give one the right to mock those that do. It just makes you look petty.
s8film40
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I thought I made my point pretty clear. Unless the train is operating 24/7 there is downtime. The fact that the downtime is shorter simply indicates the company is making more money and can afford increased maintenance and upkeep. I'll give you an example, I have watched a fair amount of the overnight cleaning and maintenance. On the maintenance side there is usually a team of 2-3 people who go and check every train for issues. All the trains are not all being checked at the same time they go from train to train. The same process with a larger team is used for cleaning. Now imagine they took some of that extra money and put it towards a second team of each, there would now be twice as many people taking care of these trains overnight. They could go a little slower be responsible for documenting reporting and possibly repairing the smaller issues that get overlooked. Or they could create specific teams to go in every night, there could be a carpet team that goes through and repairs carpet, a seat team, a paint team, maybe just one person to go through one train a night and thoroughly vacuum out the hatches. The list could go on, but these trains aren't coming in and being serviced 100% of the time they are out of service. There is a lot more that could be done overnight and the shorter downtimes is not a valid excuse.
Incomudro
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Just want to chime in here.
The last time I was on the monorail - 2014, I was pretty shocked by the condition of the cars interior.
I'm not a nitpicker, or whiner in any way, and I don't look for faults and flaws.
But the condition of the interior was eye catchingly obvious.
I wouldn't accept such conditions in the Orlando airport monorail.
Disneys monorail is figurehead of the park.
To a certain extent, it represents the park.
There is no excuse for these cars to look like this.
The last time I was on the monorail - 2014, I was pretty shocked by the condition of the cars interior.
I'm not a nitpicker, or whiner in any way, and I don't look for faults and flaws.
But the condition of the interior was eye catchingly obvious.
I wouldn't accept such conditions in the Orlando airport monorail.
Disneys monorail is figurehead of the park.
To a certain extent, it represents the park.
There is no excuse for these cars to look like this.
note2001
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This I agree with. Back in the 80s I toured Boston's Red line (subway) maintenance station as part of my internship with the DOT. Back then, the red line was considered the model which other maintenance stations would copy. The trains were driven in over maintenance bays and two teams went to work on each and every train: one above for cleaning and items like lights/doors, even ads, and one in the pits for the power system, brakes, etc. They were able to scrub all the trains clean every night between shutdown and start up. I forget what those hours were, but to be sure it wasn't any longer than what Disney has, and they have more trains. When job cuts started coming along in the 90s, that's when the maintenance started dropping.
It's all about manpower. They don't even need to bring them into the maintenance station to clean, it's just a little faster there with all the equipment set up alongside.
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s8film40
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Those airport trains (they're not monorails by the way) are actually kept in very good shape. One set is as old as the Mark VI monorails and the other was refurbished around the same time WDW got the Mark VI's.
In this article the passenger they highlighted was actually shocked to learn how old they were. How shocked do you think someone riding a WDW monorail would be to learn it's a 25 year old train.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...lando-international-airport-airsides-shuttles
Perhaps WDW could send their maintenance/custodial management to the Orlando Airport to learn what they are doing right and apply it at WDW. After all they get high traffic and short downtimes just like WDW.